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[phildwyer]

You do realise it isn't 2003 anymore, right?

Kagan and Frum (and their mates) have been around since then and, as you see, they're still around now. As I say, the problem facing them--the last problem as they see it--is the prospect of a nuclear weapon controlled by the Ayatollahs. They see that as what they call "an existential threat," not without reason tbh. They'll be around until they achieve their objectives.

 

[petee]

i guess murdoch really has soured on him

Fox News host interrupts Trump's Iowa speech to fact check 'many untruths'

Fox News host Arthel Neville interrupted a speech by former President Donald Trump to point out his "many untruths" about the 2020 election. As Trump gave a campaign speech in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on Saturday, Neville cut the former president off mid-sentence. ALSO READ: Here's why taxpayers...

www.rawstory.com

 

[krtek a houby]

Kagan and Frum (and their mates) have been around since then and, as you see, they're still around now. As I say, the problem facing them--the last problem as they see it--is the prospect of a nuclear weapon controlled by the Ayatollahs. They see that as what they call "an existential threat," not without reason tbh. They'll be around until they achieve their objectives.

And what's your faction's objectives?

 

[gosub]

Have no doubt Trump will win and the country will not survive.

The Democrats have made a huge mistake with Biden staying on, but they're going to have to up their game if they want to keep fascism in check.

Can't see them doing that..downturn is going to get worse next year (already breaking records for debt defaults*). Markets are alreading gamed for intrest rate cuts.
Upping their game means getting biblical on usary . Needs a Shmitayear not fucking trickle down tax cuts for the rich

*weirdly only been keeping records of that sort of thing since the dotcom crash 20 years ago

 

[krtek a houby]

Dictator mode only on day one, folks!

Trump tells Hannity he will be a dictator only on ‘day one’ if elected president

At town hall event in Iowa with Fox News host Sean Hannity, the former president was asked to deny that he would use ‘power as retribution’

www.theguardian.com

This is great news, as he's a trustworthy sort and is not known at all for falsehoods.

Phew.

 

[teqniq]

The prime architects of the war in Ukraine are Putin and his cronies.

Is Frum a Putin ally, or a Rhino?

Putin stepped in and saved Assad's arse in Syria as well, To suggest that the U.S. officials were prime architects of both wars is absolutely laughable.

 

[krtek a houby]

All the best people

Six Nevada Republicans charged with casting fake electoral votes in 2020

State’s attorney general charged the fake electors with two felonies each, with penalties up to five years in prison

www.theguardian.com

 

[Jeff Robinson]

All the best people

Six Nevada Republicans charged with casting fake electoral votes in 2020

State’s attorney general charged the fake electors with two felonies each, with penalties up to five years in prison

www.theguardian.com

Should just be regarded and treated as a terrorist fascist organisation at this point.

 

[moochedit]

 

[WouldBe]

Oops.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

fuck me, a sensible move, I'm shocked.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Still pro-fascist, pro-rape sentiment remains high amongst Americans

Blow to Biden as poll shows Trump in lead for 2024 presidential election | US politics | The Guardian

Trump ahead 47% to 43%, worrying some Democrats as others caution avoiding ‘mad poll disease’

amp.theguardian.com

 

[existentialist]

fuck me, a sensible move, I'm shocked.

A stopped clock...

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Trumpism is the greatest existential threat to civilisation since Nazism.

 

[phildwyer]

Still pro-fascist, pro-rape sentiment remains high amongst Americans

If you're being serious, you apparently hold the American people in some contempt. The real reason they favor Trump over Biden is that Biden started a war with Russia.

 

[existentialist]

If you're being serious, you apparently hold the American people in some contempt. The real reason they favor Trump over Biden is that Biden started a war with Russia.

Whereas Trump just wanted to have his pussy grabbed by Russia.

 

[singsongfun]

How can Biden not be completely destroying Trump in the polls? Trump is facing probable jail time if he is not elected president again and pardons himself. It shows Biden very badly as an old fool if he can’t beat such a weakened Trump.

 

[phildwyer]

How can Biden not be completely destroying Trump in the polls?

Because Biden started a war with Russia.

I think the public perception of Americans as gun-toting, bloodthirsty, ultra-nationalist war-mongers prevents people from drawing this obvious conclusion. The American people want no part of Biden's war, and they will vote for Trump to end it.

 

[gosub]

How can Biden not be completely destroying Trump in the polls? Trump is facing probable jail time if he is not elected president again and pardons himself. It shows Biden very badly as a old fool if can not beat such a weakened Trump.

US economy aint doing so well whilst Biden is doing the old you've never had it so good. Jobs numbers he says are up but when you deep dive over half are second jobs people are taking to get by. Savings also being depleted.


Neither Trump nor Biden are popular

 

[Raheem]

The American people want no part of Biden's war, and they will vote for Trump to end it.

So why is it, in your view, that extensive opinion polling on the Ukraine war is failing to detect this?

 

[phildwyer]

So why is it, in your view, that extensive opinion polling on the Ukraine war is failing to detect this?

Recent polls are detecting it: "Republican support for Ukraine war has withered since start of conflict"

American Views on the Ukraine War in 6 Charts

Ukraine war through the lens of U.S. adults: GOP commitment slips, 41% say U.S. intervention excessive, Dems remain committed, 64% uncertain of a winner.

news.gallup.com

 

[JimW]

Recent polls are detecting it: "Republican support for Ukraine war has withered since start of conflict"

American Views on the Ukraine War in 6 Charts

Ukraine war through the lens of U.S. adults: GOP commitment slips, 41% say U.S. intervention excessive, Dems remain committed, 64% uncertain of a winner.

news.gallup.com

They don't sound like likely Biden voters in the first place, what with being Republicans.

 

[phildwyer]

They don't sound like likely Biden voters in the first place, what with being Republicans.

The point is that their opposition to Biden's war makes them more likely to vote for Trump. As you presumably know, many registered Republicans oppose Trump.

 

[JimW]

The point is that their opposition to Biden's war makes them more likely to vote for Trump. As you presumably know, many registered Republicans oppose Trump.

It'll be the economy, which is not as rosy as claimed. Don't think foreign wars with no US boots will shift much either way.

 

[phildwyer]

It'll be the economy, which is not as rosy as claimed. Don't think foreign wars with no US boots will shift much either way.

People are afraid that if Biden is re-elected he will send American troops to the Ukraine, as well as reinforcing those already in Syria. His government is dominated by neo-cons, and that is the salient difference between him and Trump.

Not that the economy isn't a complete fiasco under Biden, of course.

 

[JimW]

People are afraid that if Biden is re-elected he will send American troops to the Ukraine, as well as reinforcing those already in Syria. His government is dominated by neo-cons, and that is the salient difference between him and Trump.

Never heard any Republican pushing that line and you'd think they'd pick it up if polls or focus groups showed it.

 

[Raheem]

Recent polls are detecting it: "Republican support for Ukraine war has withered since start of conflict"

American Views on the Ukraine War in 6 Charts

Ukraine war through the lens of U.S. adults: GOP commitment slips, 41% say U.S. intervention excessive, Dems remain committed, 64% uncertain of a winner.

news.gallup.com

Ok, so why do you think these polls are all failing to capture the opposition of the American people to the war, given that it is is very obvious they are opposed?

 

[phildwyer]

Ok, so why do you think these polls are all failing to capture the opposition of the American people to the war, given that it is is very obvious they are opposed?

The polls show that support for the war is collapsing among Americans. And it was never strong to begin with. I always meet far more enthusiastic war-mongers in the UK than in the USA:

Poll shows Americans' support for Ukraine in war is eroding

Support has fallen most among Republicans and independents

ny1.com

 

[Raheem]

The polls show that support for the war is collapsing among Americans. And it was never strong to begin with. I always meet far more enthusiastic war-mongers in the UK than in the USA:

Poll shows Americans' support for Ukraine in war is eroding

Support has fallen most among Republicans and independents

ny1.com

So the American people are not actually opposed to American involvement Ukraine, but you think they will be before too long. And so, presumably, they are flocking to support Trump because he represents something they will believe in the future.

 

[phildwyer]

So the American people are not actually opposed to American involvement Ukraine, but you think they will be before too long. And so, presumably, they are flocking to support Trump because he represents something they will believe in the future.

As I said above, I believe that Trump will win the election because Biden started a war with Russia.

There are plenty of Democrats who will not vote for Biden because of the war--his recent use of cluster bombs caused particular revulsion. And there are now plenty of Republicans who oppose it too. Even the war-mongers are blaming Biden for NATO's defeat. Together I think it's more than enough to ensure another Trump victory.