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[gosub]

So Trump is a racist, but the Muslim ban wasn't racist in motivation? Islamaphobic then?

Pretty sure religion isn't phenotypic

 

[Ax^]

his only plan to win is to ratch it up the crazies

they did not win the vote for him in 2020

expect more violence when he does not win again

 

[WouldBe]

Since my Muslim wife emigrated to the USA while Trump was President

Is your wife from any of the countries Trump wanted to ban?

If not then she would have been allowed in if the ban had been allowed to go ahead.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Pretty sure religion isn't phenotypic

Doesn't stop racists being racist about Muslims, though. Racists don't generally bother with niceties such as science. Or evidence. Or logic.

Mind you, iirc Dwyer thinks people can be born Muslim...

 

[phildwyer]

the Muslim ban wasn't racist in motivation?

There was no Muslim ban. It was a ban on people from certain specific Muslim nations. It was not a ban on Muslims per se. It was misrepresented as a ban on Muslim per se in order to fool half-wits.

Have we been here before or is it just me?

 

[gosub]

Have we been here before or is it just me?

That's an entirely different religion

 

[littlebabyjesus]

In 2015, Trump called for 'a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States'. In office, this travel ban, which was eventually deemed unlawful, was the best he could come up with.

Nobody here is misunderstanding or misrepresenting anything. Well, almost nobody...

 

[NoXion]

There was no Muslim ban. It was a ban on people from certain specific Muslim nations.

Distinction without a difference. Trump wanted a total ban but the law got in the way. Why the fuck are you splitting such pointless hairs over this fucking bigot?

 

[Idris2002]

There was no Muslim ban. It was a ban on people from certain specific Muslim nations. It was not a ban on Muslims per se. It was misrepresented as a ban on Muslim per se in order to fool half-wits.

Have we been here before or is it just me?

The way I remember it, DJT wanted that full ban on Muslims per se but the grown-ups gently explained to him how Saudi Arabia et al were actual made guys in the great Global West mafia. . .

 

[two sheds]

the ones with the oil?

 

[Idris2002]

the ones with the oil?

the very same!

 

[Nylock]

Guess someone missed the "vermin" comments recently.

Trump goes all in on Nazi rhetoric, and the media gives him another free pass

If we want American democracy to survive, our media must resist at all costs the urge to normalize extremist, far-right rhetoric.

thehill.com

Not to mention praising various authoritarian leaders.

Wouldn't be surprised if he's an admirer of Adolf or Benito.

Famously mentioned having mein kampf as bedside reading material...

 

[cupid_stunt]

Another thread trashed by the professor of trolling.

A few weeks ago I remember seeing him getting yet another thread ban, with a warning that if he continued, he would get a perma-ban, yet he only got a week ban.

WTF is he still doing here?

 

[krtek a houby]

Another thread trashed by the professor of trolling.

A few weeks ago I remember seeing him getting yet another thread ban, with a warning that if he continued, he would get a perma-ban, yet he only got a week ban.

WTF is he still doing here?

Absolute mystery. Creating a "buzz"? Some kind of vanity project? Unfinished business?

If a brand new poster cropped up spouting similar nonsense and pissing on every thread, they'd probably be shown the door.

It doesn't matter if it's trolling or not. It's childish and the kind of thing that ruins other sites.

 

[krtek a houby]

Since my Muslim wife emigrated to the USA while Trump was President, I know with absolute certainty that he did not ban Muslims. But try telling Brits that.

Which "Brits"?

 

[xenon]

That's a ban on immigrants from particular Muslim nations. It's not a ban on Muslims per se. It was misrepresented as such by people seeking to smear Trump as a racist.

I didn't say he wasn't racist. Of course he's fucking racist. I don't know why I bother sometimes.

Yes why do you bother Phil, is this fun for you? cos it just looks you know, like sad half arsed trolling.

 

[phildwyer]

So Trump is a racist, but the Muslim ban wasn't racist in motivation? Islamaphobic then?

No, it was a ban on people from countries deemed likely to produce anti-American terrorism. The ban included people of every religion--Christian, Zoroastrian, Jew--if they were citizens of a banned country.

Furthermore Trump also banned such non-Muslim nations as Venezuela and N. Korea.

And furthermore, Trump encouraged immigration from such Muslim nations as Turkey and S. Arabia.

And thus we see that his bans were motivated by political and security concerns, and not by racism or Islamophobia. They were falsely and maliciously represented as racist and Islamophobic by Trump's political opponents.

And this despite the fact that Trump personally is undoubtedly racist and Islamophobic. It is a bit complicated, but worth persevering.

 

[xenon]

So Donald J Trump is a racist but also he’s not a racist. And he did but also didn’t call for a total and complete shutdown ban on Muslims entering the US. Glad we got this clear.

 

[krtek a houby]

So Donald J Trump is a racist but also he’s not a racist. And he did but also didn’t call for a total and complete shutdown ban on Muslims entering the US. Glad we got this clear.

Only dwyer can call Trump racist. Anyone else and it's smears/deep state/Brits.

 

[phildwyer]

So Donald J Trump is a racist but also he’s not a racist. And he did but also didn’t call for a total and complete shutdown ban on Muslims entering the US. Glad we got this clear.

Yes I know that such fine distinctions elude your feeble mind.

I'll try to think of a parable or something, hang on.

 

[spring-peeper]

That's a ban on immigrants from particular Muslim nations. It's not a ban on Muslims per se. It was misrepresented as such by people seeking to smear Trump as a racist.

You are correct - it was a ban on the countries.

From wiki - Trump travel ban - Wikipedia.

• Executive Order 13769, Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States (January 27, 2017) – The original travel ban. Travel ban for people from seven majority-Muslim countries (Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen) for 90 days, with certain exceptions:[10]
  • Also suspended refugee resettlement for 120 days and banned Syrian refugees indefinitely. Lowered cap for refugee admissions for fiscal year 2017 from 110,000 to 50,000.[10]
  • Blocked by Washington v. Trump on Feb. 3, 2017. Trump declined to continue to defend in court.[10]
• Executive Order 13780 (March 6, 2017) – The second and revised travel ban rescinding the original travel ban. Travel ban for people from six majority-Muslim countries (same as above, minus Iraq) for 90 days:[10]
  • This ban exempted those who already have visas and green cards.[10]
  • Also suspended refugee resettlement for 120 days. Lowered cap for refugee admissions for fiscal year 2017 from 110,000 to 50,000.[10]
• Presidential Proclamation 9645 (September 24, 2017) – A third travel ban that replaced the second one. Travel ban for certain nationals of Venezuela, North Korea, and six majority-Muslim countries (five of the countries above, removing Sudan, and adding Chad).[10]
• Executive Order 13815 (October 24, 2017) – Suspended processing and admissions of refugees from North Korea, South Sudan and nine majority-Muslim countries (Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Mali, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen) for at least 90 days while agencies "conducted a review and analysis":[10]
  • Also suspended processing and admissions of family members entering through the follow-to-join process, while agencies added security procedures.[10]
  • After the 90 day review process, the Department of Homeland Security issued a press release that all refugee processing would resume, but additional security measures would be applied to certain countries.[10]
• Presidential Proclamation 9723 (April 10, 2018) – A proclamation removed the travel restrictions on Chad.[10]
• Presidential Proclamation 9983 (January 31, 2020) – An expansion of Presidential Proclamation 9645 to additional countries:[10]
  • Prohibited certain types of immigrant visa entries by certain nationals who did not already have a valid visa.[10]

 

[xenon]

Yes I know that such fine distinctions elude your feeble mind.

I'll try to think of a parable or something, hang on.

These are not find distinctions. They are in fact complete contradictions. You seem to have got lost in your own confection. Which is mildly amusing I suppose.

 

[krtek a houby]

You are correct - it was a ban on the countries.

From wiki - Trump travel ban - Wikipedia.

Muslim majority countries.

It's blatantly obvious what the ban was about and how it pandered to the fears and prejudice of his base.

 

[phildwyer]

These are not find distinctions. They are in fact complete contradictions. You seem to have got lost in your own confection. Which is mildly amusing I suppose.

Bollocks. Sorry if I was excessively rude earlier btw, I think I mistook you for someone else, been a long day....

 

[spring-peeper]

Muslim majority countries.

It's blatantly obvious what the ban was about and how it pandered to the fears and prejudice of his base.

Yes, but that is what Phil has been saying.

He said it was a country ban, and y'all were saying it was a religious ban.

Trump just dressed upthe religion ban by calling it a country ban.

 

[krtek a houby]

Yes, but that is what Phil has been saying.

He said it was a country ban, and y'all were saying it was a religious ban.

Trump just dressed upthe religion ban by calling it a country ban.

You've just proved us correct.

 

[spring-peeper]

You've just proved us correct.

how?

eta:

never mind - as long as we all agree the ban was on countries,

/derail

 

[editor]

I hate them both, I just call each issue as I see it. You should give it a try.

You're supporting a racist cunt who openly called for Muslims to be banned from America. You're an embarrassment to these boards.

 

[spring-peeper]

You're supporting a racist cunt who openly called for Muslims to be banned from America. You're an embarrassment to these boards.

I know it is splitting hairs, but it was a country ban that Trump did.

Yes, Trump is a racist, but he used a ban on countries because it was the only option he could use without being accused of being Islamophobic.

By listing countries on his ban list he could allow some of the richer muslims to still enter the country.

 

[xenon]

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