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[PR1Berske]

It wasn't too late in 2016.

When Trump was elected for the first time, his opponents tried every trick in the book to challenge the result. They even claimed that Russia had somehow manipulated the system to ensure his election, and that it was therefore invalid.

It's worrying to think what measures they might take should he be re-elected in 2024.

....oh you're a troll.

 

[phildwyer]

....oh you're a troll.

Only in the the sense that I sometimes exaggerate for rhetorical effect, as two sheds pointed out. It's not appropriate for this forum, and I'm going to cut it out. But not in the sense that I say anything I don't believe. I honestly don't recall ever doing that.

 

[NoXion]

....oh you're a troll.

Nah, I think he genuinely believes the shite he spews.

 

[krtek a houby]

It wasn't too late in 2016.

When Trump was elected for the first time, his opponents tried every trick in the book to challenge the result. They even claimed that Russia had somehow manipulated the system to ensure his election, and that it was therefore invalid.

It's worrying to think what measures they might take should he be re-elected in 2024.

Good people on both sides, eh?

You sad sack.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't think former Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis will be holding much back if she testifies in the Georgia case

 

[phildwyer]

Good people on both sides, eh?

Bad people on both sides, but Biden's side is worse, on account of provoking war with a nuclear power. That's the one thing an American president should never ever do. Biden did it.

 

[gosub]

Bad people on both sides, but Biden's side is worse, on account of provoking war with a nuclear power. That's the one thing an American president should never ever do. Biden did it.

Russians ridicule western media on ‘day of no invasion’

Officials and pundits mock predictions that Russia would invade, as livestream of Kyiv shows light traffic

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ax^]

Bad people on both sides, but Biden's side is worse, on account of provoking war with a nuclear power. That's the one thing an American president should never ever do. Biden did it.

the difference between 2016 and 2023

is that in 2016 people were warning this guy's sound like a right wing fash type

in 2023 he just admitting it and he fanboi (that would include you Phil ) and base are quite happy to admit it

good people on both sides my arse..

 

[phildwyer]

the difference between 2016 and 2023

is that in 2016 people were warning this guy's sound like a right wing fash type

in 2023 he just admitting it and he fans and base are quite happy to admit it

When did Trump admit to being a fascist?

 

[krtek a houby]

Guess someone missed the "vermin" comments recently.

Trump goes all in on Nazi rhetoric, and the media gives him another free pass

If we want American democracy to survive, our media must resist at all costs the urge to normalize extremist, far-right rhetoric.

thehill.com

Not to mention praising various authoritarian leaders.

Wouldn't be surprised if he's an admirer of Adolf or Benito.

 

[chandlerp]

Bad people on both sides, but Biden's side is worse, on account of provoking war with a nuclear power. That's the one thing an American president should never ever do. Biden did it.

Hang on...when the fuck did this happen?

 

[krtek a houby]

Hang on...when the fuck did this happen?

In dwyer's addled brain, lots of things happen which bear little relation to reality.

 

[PR1Berske]

Biden is repairing the nation's economy.
Trump is preparing to unleash hell - an end to reproductive rights, biased judicial appointments, crushing of LGBT+ rights, most extreme immigration rules that would make his Muslim Ban look quite reasonable.

If Dwyer is genuine, he should condemn Trump's plans, not give them so much benefit of the doubt.

 

[phildwyer]

his Muslim Ban

There was no "Muslim ban." Plenty of Muslims emigrated to the USA during Trump's Presidency.

 

[PR1Berske]

There was no "Muslim ban." Plenty of Muslims emigrated to the USA during Trump's Presidency.

There was, eventually overturned, and it gives us a measure of the man.

On 28 January President Trump issued an executive order blocking refugees and travellers with passports from seven Muslim-majority countries.

The ban was cruel, inhumane, and violated international law.

With the stroke of a pen, the President banned Syrian refugees from the USA indefinitely and prevented anyone (including refugees) from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen from entering the USA for 90 days.

He also halted the US refugee resettlement programme for 120 days, and indicated that when this restarts the US will slash the maximum number of refugees it will receive from 110,000 to 50,000.

These countries all have one thing in common: most people seeking asylum from these countries are trying to escape serious human rights abuses like torture and mass murder. For most, returning home is not a choice.

 

[phildwyer]

Guess someone missed the "vermin" comments recently.
.

Inspired by that notorious fascist Aneurin Bevan:

https://www.mojologic.com.au/speech-10-aneurin-bevin-they-are-lower-than-vermin/

 

[phildwyer]

There was, eventually overturned, and it gives us a measure of the man.

That's a ban on immigrants from particular Muslim nations. It's not a ban on Muslims per se. It was misrepresented as such by people seeking to smear Trump as a racist.

 

[PR1Berske]

There was no "Muslim ban." Plenty of Muslims emigrated to the USA during Trump's Presidency.

Oh and if you are a Trump supporter, I can't believe you post on this forum when, from what I understand, Urban has its roots in justice, openness, fairness, fighting against unjust prejudice and freedom of speech. Each and every one of these things would be swept away by a man who is set to destroy everything right, good, and proper.

 

[Silas Loom]

Urban has its roots in justice, openness, fairness, fighting against unjust prejudice and freedom of speech.

Citation needed

 

[Raheem]

That's a ban on immigrants from particular Muslim nations. It's not a ban on Muslims per se. It was misrepresented as such by people seeking to smear Trump as a racist.

You must know about this, and how it started as a proposal to ban Muslims, then it got changed to a ban on Muslims from certain muslim-majority countries Trump didn't enjoy hospitality from, then it was declared illegal.

 

[phildwyer]

Oh and if you are a Trump supporter

I'm not.

 

[phildwyer]

You must know about this, and how it started as a proposal to ban Muslims, then it got changed to a ban on Muslims from certain muslim-majority countries Trump didn't enjoy hospitality from, then it was declared illegal.

I do indeed know about it. He blustered, but there was never a ban (or even a restriction) on Muslims emigrating to the USA. Members of my family did just that while Trump was President, with no difficulty whatsoever.

 

[two sheds]

When did Trump admit to being a fascist?

He probably sees himself as a National Socialist.

 

[PR1Berske]

phildwyer , I don't believe you based on what you've posted over the last few pages alone. I'm sorry to do this publicly, it's just I mute/block Trump supporters on other social media sites, and I can't trust you to not develop your positive attitudes into something potentially problematic. I'm sure you understand why you're blocked.

 

[Raheem]

I do indeed know about it. He blustered, but there was never a ban (or even a restriction) on Muslims emigrating to the USA. Members of my family did just that while Trump was President, with no difficulty whatsoever.

So in your book, banning Muslims would be racist, whereas there is no racism at all in proposing to ban Muslims then realising it would upset some extremely rich Muslims, so then just trying to ban some Muslims.

 

[Ax^]

I'm not.

you are just a fella who spends almost all his energy on here defending trump or praising him

sounds like a supporter

 

[editor]

I do indeed know about it. He blustered, but there was never a ban (or even a restriction) on Muslims emigrating to the USA. Members of my family did just that while Trump was President, with no difficulty whatsoever.

He unequivocally called for a complete ban on all Muslims entering the country, the racist shitbag that he is.

 

[redsquirrel]

Yes he's a real charmer....

Ta for the info moochedit, I'd missed this stuff

 

[phildwyer]

He unequivocally called for a complete ban on all Muslims entering the country, the racist shitbag that he is.

No such ban was ever passed into law. But most people seem to think it was.

 

[phildwyer]

you are just a fella who spends almost all his energy on here defending trump or praising him

sounds like a supporter

Why would I lie about it?