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That’s an extraordinary perspective. As if every individual is an isolated, atomised solipsistic self, who acts only purposefully with clearly defined motivation to either change or not, as they have individually determined. Needless to say, I disagree.
It's the end view of this sort of politics - there is no such thing as society.
It's slightly weird that many who would rhetorically attack Thatcher has so accepted her views, while others on the populist right who rhetorically praise her are actually in disagreement.
 
Well, I'm afraid that I have no idea where it is you think we should be "getting".

I've been accused of not giving reasons for my views and even when I do, there are still some on here who seem determined to find fault or do demand more.

I'm not aiming this at you - I'm just including it in this post in order to save creating another post needlessly

I have no idea what is required here but I'm getting mightily sick of being lectured at and patronised, no matter what I say or how I try to express it.

For heaven's sake, if people don't like my posts, please just ignore them but please stop with the hectoring and demanding answers and then when you get them, picking them to pieces. I'm not on trial and I'm sick of being made to feel that I am. It's perfectly possible to have exchanges of differing views and yet not to be patronising and not to be gratuitously rude.
I agree that you will be feeling got at and this wave probably started with me objecting to one of your posts upthread. It isn't just about you , it's about a number of posters who are using the thread to focus, almost exclusively on 'Trump is vile/his supporters are thick'. So yes, can't be that nice ending up at the sharp end of this and, in my liberal wishy washy way, I've said I think there's scope for all kinds of contributions.

But then, and there's always a but then, you and others are others are posting this stuff on a discussion thread. In response there have been posts suggesting a different way of thinking about American populism, posting links and articles around that. Suggesting that if you make 'I'm not interested in that' posts, you will be challenged.

tldr? yeah, but 'if people don't like my posts, please just ignore them' won't wash. This is a discussion board. And a thread, on Trump.


I posted the above intending to meet you half way and then ended up being critical, so I'll abandon all that and just ask a question: There has been plenty on this thread and others about neo-liberalism, about deindustrialisation and the impact on communities as well as jobs more narrowly. All sorts of stuff around populism and authoritarianism. Trying to step away from the unpleasantness of the last few pages, have you found any of that stuff interesting or persuasive?

I ask that question in the context of what others have said about the way their eyes have been opened to new ideas and perspectives by reading stuff on Urban.
 
Why are some posters choosing to continue with the third degree, when they have started another thread for them to supposedly talk seriously about politics? That's a fail for a start. Instructions given to not bandy names around, but to chat about serious stuff, and to make sure people back up their chat. Take a look at the responses. Hypocrites.

Not getting the responses you want, so cue returning to the thickos thread to harass and berate their inferiors, in their minds.

There are some seriously up their arseholes posters on here. There are politics discussed in here, but the constant knocks, sneering and attacking is beyond pathetic. Oh and for the record, where was the ticking off for the vid posted which wasn't in spoilers, and backed up with details about it? Again, hypocrites.

Some of you are ridiculous with your constant attempts at gotcha tactics. You need to wind your necks in, and stop being so fucking condescending, as if you are the pinnacles of knowledge on any topic.

And for the record, Trump supporters are fucking stupid. I've lost count of the times people have attempted to show them facts, but they won't accept them. If they refuse to accept them, with all the evidence out there, then it's case closed. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. It's a cult, a cult of stupidity.
 
You've got your own liberal intelligencia thread now. Why don't you take your superior brain over there and leave us thickies alone?
Will there be promotion and relegation between the 2 threads? I'm worried, I'm at the bottom of the Superior Brain Thread, but have a couple of games in hand. :hmm:
 
Why are some posters choosing to continue with the third degree, when they have started another thread for them to supposedly talk seriously about politics? That's a fail for a start. Instructions given to not bandy names around, but to chat about serious stuff, and to make sure people back up their chat. Take a look at the responses. Hypocrites.

Not getting the responses you want, so cue returning to the thickos thread to harass and berate their inferiors, in their minds.

There are some seriously up their arseholes posters on here. There are politics discussed in here, but the constant knocks, sneering and attacking is beyond pathetic. Oh and for the record, where was the ticking off for the vid posted which wasn't in spoilers, and backed up with details about it? Again, hypocrites.

Some of you are ridiculous with your constant attempts at gotcha tactics. You need to wind your necks in, and stop being so fucking condescending, as if you are the pinnacles of knowledge on any topic.

And for the record, Trump supporters are fucking stupid. I've lost count of the times people have attempted to show them facts, but they won't accept them. If they refuse to accept them, with all the evidence out there, then it's case closed. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. It's a cult, a cult of stupidity.
I know, it's really upsetting designating people as thickos...

Had to say that, of course. ;) But, kind of, agree that this is all getting a bit unpleasant.
 
I've been on beer and weed for the last hour, so I'm not even sure whether my barbs are hitting home. :D I meant 'thickos' as in the way Trump voters have been described.

Definite relegation for me, I hope I don't lose all that Premier League money...
You get a parachute payment of 50 long words and three quotes from Marx's Capital. But once those are gone, you're on your own.
 
I've been on beer and weed for the last hour, so I'm not even sure whether my barbs are hitting home. :D I meant 'thickos' as in the way Trump voters have been described.

Definite relegation for me, I hope I don't lose all that Premier League money...
Well this is the thread for the inferior intellects.
 
Will there be promotion and relegation between the 2 threads? I'm worried, I'm at the bottom of the Superior Brain Thread, but have a couple of games in hand. :hmm:
There will be a test at 3pm every Saturday.
If you are condescending and patronising enough you will remain in the superior thread. If not, the most patronising person in the Thicko's division will take your place.
Additional Playoffs will be on a monthly basis and the final will be played at Wembley and shown on Sky as a pay per view.
Our sponsors will be Saudi Arabia, if you don't like it then you can just suck it up snowflake.
 
I know, it's really upsetting designating people as thickos...

Had to say that, of course. ;) But, kind of, agree that this is all getting a bit unpleasant.
I self identify as a Thicko and have reclaimed the T word as a positive word for the movement.

Thickoes of the world unite, we have nothing to lose but our ignorance.
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I decided to turn the news on at 9 pm. I was astonished to see nearly every channel fawning over Trump. I suppose it makes some sense. ABC is owned by Disney and they contributed to his campaign. CBS is owned by Paramount. NBC is owned by Comcast. We need to develop deeper information sources that are resilient to being taken over by the far right.

I also listened to a bit of Trump's speech. How can the Democrats just sit there and smile?

It’s horrifying seeing how people just adapt and accommodate to fascism, all these cowards and traitors will never be forgotten.
 
You've got your own liberal intelligencia thread now. Why don't you take your superior brain over there and leave us thickies alone?
Liberalism is the problem.
 
Regarding Trumps decision to end birthright citizenship:


also short thread from someone who has researched this and states this would be in violation of the 14th amendment:

 
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