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klang said:
So you have a feeling that Brexit voters are stupid, uninformed and manipulated, rather than evidence.
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The ability to suspend belief is not confined to lack of intelligence, though it does make it harder to understand why, in spite of evidence to the contrary, that people will cling on to the idea that Brexit is a success.
 
There is no universal objective standard by which “Brexit” can be judged to be a “success” or otherwise. There isn’t even an object “Brexit” that exists as a concrete thing that might be measured. These things are all abstract — and highly complex — concepts that are dependent on particular ways of seeing the world.
 
the brexit vote actually maps out onto 'who lost out of austerity?' quite neatly. There was a good NLR piece on this at the time. The middle class nature of the remain vote was unfortunate because most of that social strata struggle to contain their sense of superiority and completely lost it when the vote went the other way. I recall a jolyon maughham (lol) article at the time 'we are the middle classes and we get what we want' A lesser man than I might say well hows them apples taste jolyon.
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Derek S-H said:
There are people who seem to believe The Lettuce was harshly treated and believe her claims of a "Deep State" conspiracy against her. There are also voters who seem to believe that Bozo was forced out by Party agitators and deserved better. Finally, we have people who believe that the two-Party system is a "stitch up" and we need Man Of The People, Farage, to come in and shake things up, despite the fact that he's barely made an appearance in his constituency nor represented them in Parliament.
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To my mind, all of those examples point to an anti-politics-as-usual vote rather than necessarily a direct endorsement of a specific person. Same with Trump.

e2a: same with Brexit.
 
Rompipalle said:
According to this online dictionary site, when used as an adjective it apparently means either
  1. Sports. of or belonging to a major league:
    a big-league pitcher.
  2. Informal. among the largest, foremost, etc., of its kind:
    the big-league steel companies.
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I can't even remember now specifically what he was talking about when he said it.
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I am confused. What are you arguing here? This doesn't contradict anything I said about using it as an idiom.
It even puts 'the' in front of it's example here "The big league steel companies"

Big league on it's own as an idiom is not the norm. That would be 'Major League' but you can naturally say 'The big leagues'. This is because there is a Major League and there are Big Leagues but there is not a big league.

If not 'bigly', at best it's like saying 'Chessmate'.
 
ATOMIC SUPLEX said:
I am confused. What are you arguing here? This doesn't contradict anything I said about using it as an idiom.
It even puts 'the' in front of it's example here "The big league steel companies"

Big league on it's own as an idiom is not the norm. That would be 'Major League' but you can naturally say 'The big leagues'. This is because there is a Major League and there are Big Leagues but there is not a big league.

If not 'bigly', at best it's like saying 'Chessmate'.
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Bloody hell!! I'm not arguing anything and I wasn't trying to contradict you either.

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I realise that arguing the living daylights out of each and every word typed seems to be the posting style on here but I was, if anything, merely expanding on what you had said - not arguing against it. :rolleyes:

Sheesh!

BIB - I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
 
Point of order.
There was no ‘Brexit’ vote, it was a vote for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to leave the European Union.
The word ‘Brexit’ has come in to allude to the nightmare that has followed the vote to leave, and ironically it does not even relate to leaving seeing as how there is a wide open land border with the EU, and Northern Ireland has to abide by EU constraints anyway.
In my opinion the word ‘Brexit’ is as insidious as the word ‘obviously’ or the word ‘professional’.
 
philosophical said:
Point of order.
There was no ‘Brexit’ vote, it was a vote for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to leave the European Union.
The word ‘Brexit’ has come in to allude to the nightmare that has followed the vote to leave, and ironically it does not even relate to leaving seeing as how there is a wide open land border with the EU, and Northern Ireland has to abide by EU constraints anyway.
In my opinion the word ‘Brexit’ is as insidious as the word ‘obviously’ or the word ‘professional’.
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It's a word I very rarely use. I know language changes and new words are introduced, but 'Brexit' has always seemed like a term that should never have been invented.
 
HeAthen said:
It's a word I very rarely use. I know language changes and new words are introduced, but 'Brexit' has always seemed like a term that should never have been invented.
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The UK appears to be a place which likes to make up portmanteau words like that.

Not the only one obviously but it is a phenomenon that seems to be becoming more common.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
We are physical beings. And we are social beings. So there is a physical and social context to all of us. If I unddrstand kabbes correctly, he is saying that both of these are ignored in much contemporary psychology. I don't know enough about contemporary academic psychology to comment on that, but it rings true.
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Laing was a psychiatrist rather than a psychologist. Sorry for the pedantry.
 
Yossarian said:
Quite a strange moment in history really - a federal prosecutor releases a report explaining why a president is guilty of inciting an insurrection and trying to overturn an election, but he's going to be sworn in for a second term in a few days anyway and 99% of his supporters don't give a shit about what he did
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'Strange' is one word for it. Others might be enraging, depressing, dispiriting.
 
One area of study I did as a student was ‘linguistic analysis’ taught by Dr Nancy Gayer.
It could be boiled down to what do we mean by what we say.
One essay was ‘She needs a new car like she needs a hole in the head. Discuss the meaning of the word needs in that sentence’. Another was ‘Play is a non serious activity, discuss’.
A great area of study which has probably ruined my life. Many say it is ‘mere semantics’ or that if you want to know the meaning of a word look it up in a dictionary, but I don’t believe it is quite that simple.
For instance dropping the word ‘obviously’ into something can be like a conversational power grab.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
MAGA = thick.

I have the honour of knowing and dealing with a huge number of Americans, my parent company is located on Broadway.

The only one I know who's a Trumpist is a mate of my dad. He was captain in the US army in Vietnam where he was awarded a Purple Heart. He moved to the UK and became a money man, lived in a mansion on the Wentworth Estate, became captain of the golf club (you can look him him, captain K P). He had the most beautiful wooden sailing boat it has ever been my pleasure to sail on. He and his lovely Dutch wife currently live in Florida in a luxurious condo in Clearwater. My dad and him nearly fell out over Trump a few years ago as he couldn't understand how anyone could support him, but K does; in his world-view Trump is better for America than the alternatives.

Is K, a multi-millionaire, decorated ex-army captain, lived a life of luxury, stupid?
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How can someone who fought with the US army in Vietnam, and moreover was awarded a Purple Heart, support Trump, who (in)famously avoided the draft because of so-called 'bone spurs' in his feet? How can someone who fought valiantly* support someone so deserving of scepticism and scorn because of his mendaciousness and cowardice? Trump wasn't even a principled conscientious objector.

* Let's not get into a debate about the overall rights and wrongs of the Vietnam War.
 
AnnO'Neemus said:
How can someone who fought with the US army in Vietnam, and moreover was awarded a Purple Heart, support Trump, who (in)famously avoided the draft because of so-called 'bone spurs' in his feet? How can someone who fought valiantly* support someone so deserving of scepticism and scorn because of his mendaciousness and cowardice? Trump wasn't even a principled conscientious objector.

* Let's not get into a debate about the overall rights and wrongs of the Vietnam War.
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Yep, it's odd. But he honestly believes that America's best interests lie with Trump and clearly many others feel the same. My dad thought he was joking, but he came out quite fiercely in favour of Trump.
 
Dystopiary said:
Laing was a psychiatrist rather than a psychologist. Sorry for the pedantry.
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Yes, he was indeed. But I think you can argue that his approach blurred the distinction somewhat given his insistence that the origins of mental illness lay in people's life histories and relations with others - 'rational responses to impossible situations'.

Laing got some things wrong - reading his work gave me the impression that he was too certain of his own ideas and pushed them to breaking point - but he also imo had important insights relevant to both psychiatry and psychology. But yes, you're right that strictly he is more relevant when criticising aspects of the current medical model of psychiatry and the way it neglects social context.
 
It's almost become one of those 'thought terminating clichés' I reckon, all this trump is an orange moron and his supporters are all stupid. Like it's used to shut down any meaningful reflection on the part of democrats/liberals, who much like last time seem to have learned absolutely nothing.
 
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