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breadandcircuse
"The time is always right to do what is right"
I've just been reading that Carrie Underwood is performing at the inauguration. I don't listen to her music, but the fact that she, who is apparently a very big name, deems it an honour to perform there is disgusting. This comes after hearing that The Village People are also performing! What's wrong with these people? TVP had tried unsuccessfully to get him to stop "dancing" to their music at his hate rallies. Money obviously talks, but this is Trump, who never pays up anyway. Fancy throwing your reputation and career away for that fascist.
Rompipalle
“Mad as hell & I’m not going to take this anymore”
She will indeed. It's particularly ironic, given that she was a social reformer and strong advocate for women and the education of women, as well as for the poor, people of colour, immigrants and disadvantaged workers.
Trump isn't interested in any of these groups of people unless there's something primarily in it for him.
I watched that entire thing. So much to pick out of it but when asked whether he was going to stop the current policy of providing medical transport for female soldiers abroad who needed 'reproductive healthcare', ie possibly abortions, he confirmed that as a Christian, yes he would.
breadandcircuse
"The time is always right to do what is right"
If I were religious, I'd see him as the antichrist. He held that Bible upside down apparently. How he doesn't spontaneously combust when he utters his bullshit, I'll never knowChristian my fucking arse
last time he was holding a bible
before
after
. How do the fundamentalists see him as their Messiah? Remember this?Under a minute so watch or don't.
Right you are
Hmm... well she ripped into the bastard. Had him on the ropes. And he couldn't really keep going back to his own military experience in the face of her own experience.
But it's a bit extreme (and insanely juvenile) to wish death on the 'murderous cunt'. Without knowing anything about her.
Tammy Duckworth - Wikipedia
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I'm as anti-Trump as anyone else, but we can't let that trick us into thinking of the Democrats as the good guys.Hmm... well she ripped into the bastard. Had him on the ropes. And he couldn't really keep going back to his own military experience in the face of her own experience.
But it's a bit extreme (and insanely juvenile) to wish death on the 'murderous cunt'. Without knowing anything about her.
Tammy Duckworth - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
She's got a wiki page, the people she killed haven't.Hmm... well she ripped into the bastard. Had him on the ropes. And he couldn't really keep going back to his own military experience in the face of her own experience.
But it's a bit extreme (and insanely juvenile) to wish death on the 'murderous cunt'. Without knowing anything about her.
Tammy Duckworth - Wikipedia
hitmouse
entreprenulsoip critical thinking
I know she flew combat helicopters in an illegal war. (And fwiw I'm generally a wishy-washy type who thinks it's not particularly helpful or useful to wish death on anyone, it can frequently be funny though.)Hmm... well she ripped into the bastard. Had him on the ropes. And he couldn't really keep going back to his own military experience in the face of her own experience.
But it's a bit extreme (and insanely juvenile) to wish death on the 'murderous cunt'. Without knowing anything about her.
Tammy Duckworth - Wikipedia
ska invita
back on the other side
Thanks for the link:Hmm... well she ripped into the bastard. Had him on the ropes. And he couldn't really keep going back to his own military experience in the face of her own experience.
But it's a bit extreme (and insanely juvenile) to wish death on the 'murderous cunt'. Without knowing anything about her.
Tammy Duckworth - Wikipedia
"Duckworth supports continued U.S. military aid to Israel and opposes the movement for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel"
bcuster
Well-Known Member
Duckworth was severely wounded
...rocket-propelled grenade blew through the plexiglass “chin bubble” window at my feet and detonated in a violent fireball right in my lap. The explosion vaporized my right leg. It blew my left leg up into the bottom of the instrument panel, shearing off the shin below the knee and leaving my leg hanging by just a thin thread of flesh. And because I had leaned forward, reaching to activate the GPS, the explosion also tore through my right arm, violently shredding it into a bloody mess of muscle, sinew, and bone. In a single, shattering instant, my body was blown apart. My skin was burned and riddled with shrapnel, and blood began pumping out of my wounds.
www.chicagomag.com
...rocket-propelled grenade blew through the plexiglass “chin bubble” window at my feet and detonated in a violent fireball right in my lap. The explosion vaporized my right leg. It blew my left leg up into the bottom of the instrument panel, shearing off the shin below the knee and leaving my leg hanging by just a thin thread of flesh. And because I had leaned forward, reaching to activate the GPS, the explosion also tore through my right arm, violently shredding it into a bloody mess of muscle, sinew, and bone. In a single, shattering instant, my body was blown apart. My skin was burned and riddled with shrapnel, and blood began pumping out of my wounds.
The Day Tammy Duckworth’s Black Hawk Went Down
In an exclusive excerpt from her new book, the U.S. senator from Illinois recounts the dramatic downing of her helicopter in Iraq — and the early stages of recovery from her devastating injuries.
www.chicagomag.com
maomao
普費斯
I don't do a lot of death wishing these days but it seems proportionate for a psychotic killer and supporter of genocide.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
So was Abu Hamza.
And? That's relevant how exactly?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
So was Abu Hamza.
breadandcircuse
"The time is always right to do what is right"
Is that aimed solely at her, or all of the Armed Forces? They don't get to choose where they see action. They follow orders.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Would you extend that to, say, the soldiers of Islamic State?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
the ability of Democrats to stick to tactics and arguments that haven't worked for decades at this point never ceases to amaze me
bcuster
Well-Known Member
I don’t think Geneva Conventions cover their situation
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm not sure of the relevance of the Geneva convention. The exchange - below - was about whether soldiers are just following orders or have some responsibility for the deaths they cause. My point is that the 'heroic' American soldier is a position not all that different to members of 'terrorist' groups. She was certainly fighting in an illegal war.
BristolEcho
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I'm finding the whole debate around people being stupid to be pointless so kind of hate that I'm contributing towards it now.
I don't really like the idea of describing people as stupid as I'm not sure how you guage this. People can be very intuitive and smart in some ways, but in other ways really struggle and might appear stupid. Me included - great with a mental health crisis and can tell you the ins and outs of many drugs, but absolutely shocking at other skills that people find easy. Yes you fractions.
This post sums up how our ideas of intelligence are often biased towards people who meet particular social standards that are usually based on capitalist ideas of success. How could a decorated ex-army captain, who is a multimillionaire and live a life of luxury possibly be stupid? They must be smart and know what they are talking about as they are clearly successful. (I'm not saying you do this BS just talking more generally.)
This is why people like Sheryl Sandberg a CCO at Meta is quoted in an article about Children's Mental Health. Her only qualification appearing to be books that have been written on mental health and a book on women in the workplace that was slammed for being out of touch with what the average women is experiencing. It is why people like Musk and Zuckerberg are able to generate so much attention and there views are often sought after by the press. We (society) fetishise economically successful people and amplify their views even when they don't have any knowledge about the subject.
This is not to say that people have to be an "expert", or a professional to have a view heard on a subject. Hearing from people's experience is important, but how often are working class and/or economically poor people given that platform?
In contrast many of the poorer people I know, who often don't have a job or anything that would be considered a success in this world, are some of the most intuitive and smart people you could meet. They are often written off by people/services/political commentators as stupid before they even get through the door and this suits capitalism as it individualsies their struggle. It's also why any person from a poorer backgrounds who does manage to achieve success is amplified - this person did it, so can you, and there is nothing wrong the system. There are millions of people out there that could achieve material, educational and work success but are never given the opportunities due to their economic and social background. Millions of people who could specialise in all forms of work lost.
It sounds like your Dads friend is voting in his best interests tbh. It is not hard to see why someone like that would vote Trump. I don't think the poorer people who voted Trump are stupid necessarly, but I am not surprised to see such sweeping statements made about them as it is something that people generally believe anyway.
My experience in the UK is that people know they are being failed and the current system is not working. I was radicalised as a child to blame immigrants and particularly Muslims for the problems in my local area. Violence against them promoted. I might have voted Farage. Might have been on the other side of the protest lines in August. I saw the problems, I just didn't see the root causes at that time and the other solutions had not yet cut through to me. I suspect many would label me as stupid then, and I guess that I was less stupid once I came around to another way of thinking. This stuff goes deep and it's not about intelligence imo.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
It's perhaps a bit different, but the word rational also dissolves when you look at the reality of people's lives, when you try and think about things from their perspective and their experiences. We all think things and do things on the basis of who we are, our experiences and the influences brought to bear on us. When it comes to things like voting, it is rarely irrational, there is always a reason or, perhaps, a rationale. Calling people stupid or irrational means you don't have to engage with them, who they are and what is going on in their life. Don't even have to think about the wider political economy. To be honest, I think that using 'stupid' as a reason to not engage with people or think about their lives has been going on on this thread. I don't say that (purely
) to provoke a further round of Urban's 'stupid war', I think it's an important point to make in itself. In fact it seems feckin' obvious. When you get something like Brexit or the Dems failure to win even against someone like Trump, something is worthy of further thought. Something about the liberal order and the effects of neoliberalism and austerity. Stupid doesn't take you there.
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