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[bluescreen]

I don't know anything about that constitutional rule or how its been interpreted, but that argument looks plausible. If it is used to bar Trump from running though, I can't imagine that the present US Supreme Court would not overturn such a decision. It's a hyper-conservative supermajority which includes three judges appointed by Trump and one judge who is married to a MAGA insurrectionist.

Ah, Ginni Thomas, who got cold (feet) and left before the rioting. I don't know how long Clarence is for the Supreme Court, given all the dirt that's being dished up.
But anyway, I wouldn't assume that right wingers or even Trump appointees love Trump more than they love the Constitution itself. As judges, they probably identify more with that and its ideological purity than they do with him and his narcissism. We shall see. It will be interesting.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Ah, Ginni Thomas, who got cold (feet) and left before the rioting. I don't know how long Clarence is for the Supreme Court, given all the dirt that's being dished up.
But anyway, I wouldn't assume that right wingers or even Trump appointees love Trump more than they love the Constitution itself. As judges, they probably identify more with that and its ideological purity than they do with him and his narcissism. We shall see. It will be interesting.

It's true the Trump judicial appointees are not merely his puppets - after all, they all tossed out his batshit 'stolen election' lawsuits. I've just seen that the two conservative authors you mentioned are members of the Federalist Society. All six conservative justices are also members of the Federalist Society. They basically do the Federalist Society's bidding 9/10ths of the time. That makes me think that you are perhaps right that the conservative legal movement is done with Trump. They can - and do - contort the Constitution to mean whatever they want but they may well not want Trump. The deranged Clarence Thomas will side with his boy Trump no matter what, but maybe the others are done with him now.

Best outcome is this: Trump is barred and jailed and DeSantis runs instead but only after Trump has made him super unpopular with a large chunk of Republican voters and his vote is poor as a result. The Trumpists leave the republicans to form their own unhinged movement which fades into insignificance.

 

[kabbes]

The judiciary are generally a force against social change. They act to maintain the status quo, including acting against threats to that status quo. I suspect that they will view Trump as such a threat.

In general, I’m finding it fascinating to watch how the institutions of state slowly but relentlessly isolate and expel threats. It’s like seeing a body contain and push a foreign object out of itself

 

[scalyboy]

hmm are you saying people who trump has refused to pay might think its worth turning against him

thankfully this man pays his bills with regularity

I read recently that a RICO conviction in the state of Georgia results in a five-year-minimum prison sentence, and that this might encourage some of his co-defendants to do a deal with the authorities and 'flip' (which, I believe, is the term used in the Sopranos )

Still somewhat shocked that a criminal conviction wouldn't legally prevent him from standing again - I mean, they won't even allow you into the US if you have even the most trivial of convictions, even if it's from decades ago, so I had expected that if a feller was convicted on RICO grounds - a large criminal conspiracy and a recent one at that - it would be enough to disbar him standing for Prez. But nooo apparently

Then there was the idea that he might not even be nominated in the first place if convicted, on the grounds that Republicans are a law-abiding bunch. But it now appears they'd be willing to nominate anyone - Ted Bundy, or [insert another GOP-leaning serial killer here], anyone who might stop the rot and 'make America great again.

Reverse the tidal wave of wokery sweeping the land, with BLM in total control and all police forces defunded to the point that cops must beg donut money on the street by doing a 'humpty dance'; infants forced to handle dildoes handed out willy-nilly by enormous 10ft tall drag queens; and the laws enshrining Americans' God-given right to possess arms being steadily shorn away by a cabal of dark actors - Soros, Gates, Daffy Duck and so on.

Strange how these gun-people have been going about threats to their right to bear arms for the last 30-40 years, with mass shootings absurdly said to have been fakes designed to get new anti-gun-ownership laws passed. Well that wouldn't be a bad f***ing idea would it, but has it actually happened? I know some states have stricter gun laws than others but there's been no widespread or federal tightening up of these laws as far as I'm aware, the NRA is too powerful.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

A grim reminder of the brutality of the US criminal justice system:

In the coming days, Donald Trump will turn himself in to police in Georgia. His initial brush with the local criminal justice system is expected to last just hours - most other defendants are not so lucky.

Built in 1985 to house around 1,300 inmates, Fulton County Jail has held more than 3,000 people in recent years.

The jail provides "unhygienic living conditions" that have led to outbreaks of Covid-19, lice and scabies, a report by the Southern Center for Human Rights said. It found inmates were "significantly malnourished" and dealing with a condition called cachexia, also known as wasting syndrome.

Waiting in these dilapidated conditions has proven deadly for some. Last week, a 34-year-old man was found unconscious in a medical unit cell at the jail, where he had been held since 2019. He was resuscitated, but then died at the hospital, according to the Fulton County Sheriff's office.

Trump's time in Fulton County Jail will be brief. Others die waiting

Amid overcrowding, lice and mysterious deaths, Fulton County's justice system can be slow and dangerous.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Wilf]

The MAGA terrorists might throw a violent strop over their shitty orange god being punished, but if the alternative is to signal to every other country in the world that the US can be easily manipulated every time a narcissistic fascist becomes President and that they'll get away with it, it will happen again, and every time it does will bring a non-trivial chance that the US ends up being fucked for good.

It'd be one thing if he was just fucking with the little people, but if the US state apparatus has any sense of self-preservation left in it, then they'll have to make some kind of example out of Trump.

I don't know how this will play out, but I'm pretty certain that overseas consumption isn't a significant factor. This is a USA that has turned inwards. Occasionally you do hear Democrats giving it the 'how must we look abroad' line, but its not one the other side give a shit about.

 

[NoXion]

I don't know how this will play out, but I'm pretty certain that overseas consumption isn't a significant factor. This is a USA that has turned inwards. Occasionally you do hear Democrats giving it the 'how must we look abroad' line, but its not one the other side give a shit about.

I wasn't talking about the US looking bad in foreign media or whatever. I was talking about actual interference and dirty tricks by intelligence agencies and similar state actors. I think Trump and a non-trivial number of his fellow travellers have been used, wittingly or unwittingly, by foreign agents as a means to attack and weaken the United States. Letting Trump off will send the unmistakeable signal that playing into the far right is an effective vector of attack.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Ah, Ginni Thomas, who got cold (feet) and left before the rioting. I don't know how long Clarence is for the Supreme Court, given all the dirt that's being dished up.
But anyway, I wouldn't assume that right wingers or even Trump appointees love Trump more than they love the Constitution itself. As judges, they probably identify more with that and its ideological purity than they do with him and his narcissism. We shall see. It will be interesting.

They've never loved the Constitution. They love the idea of the Constitution. They love to use it to bash their opponents. To love it, they'd had to have read it.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Still somewhat shocked that a criminal conviction wouldn't legally prevent him from standing again - I mean, they won't even allow you into the US if you have even the most trivial of convictions, even if it's from decades ago, so I had expected that if a feller was convicted on RICO grounds - a large criminal conspiracy and a recent one at that - it would be enough to disbar him standing for Prez. But nooo apparently

The reasoning behind that is two-fold. They want to prevent people with power eliminating potential opposition by putting out spurious criminal charges. And, its assumed that voters are smart enough not to vote for someone who is that corrupt. I think we've seen that neither case is really a given.

 

[two sheds]

Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online

A fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury that indicted Trump and 18 other people for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

www.nbcnews.com

oops

 

[petee]

Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online

A fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury that indicted Trump and 18 other people for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

www.nbcnews.com

oops

just what you'd expect. i would like to know how they got the information tho'.
Willis is getting the treatment too, as it says in the article.

 

[petee]

an encouraging take from america's premier libertarian think thank

Up until now, I’ve been hesitant to predict how the various prosecutions of Donald Trump are likely to turn out. But no longer. I believe yesterday’s indictment in Georgia sealed Trump’s fate, and it is now all but certain that he will be convicted of multiple felonies in one or more of the four pending cases against him. Here’s why.

The Georgia indictment is a bombshell—the equivalent of a Texas Hold’em poker player shoving their entire stack of chips into the middle of the table and declaring, “All in.” In sum, the Georgia indictment alleges that Trump orchestrated a sprawling criminal conspiracy (or “enterprise,” in the language of the indictment and Georgia’s state RICO statute) involving more than 20 named and unnamed co‐conspirators ranging across half‐a‐dozen states for the purpose of unlawfully changing the result of the November 2020 presidential election. There is nothing subtle or nuanced about this indictment—in effect, it accuses Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, John Eastman, Jeffrey Clark, Sidney Powell, and a dozen others of staging an unsuccessful coup. If the case goes to trial, which seems likely, the jury will either believe that characterization or they will not. I think they will, for three reasons.

https://www.cato.org/blog/trumps-toast-folks

so you have the two blokes from the federalist society saying that he can;t be president, and now this take from Cato. splits in the voting bloc: the goons will always support him because he's an icon to them, they don't care about policy, but the will hurd/chris christie wing are out and the hardcore originalist/libertarians are out.

besides i repeat (for the nth time) what happened in the last election. why do people think trump will be elected in 2024? the only thing that will bring that about is violence, which could happen, but will undermine any claim to legitimacy.

 

[Dogsauce]

besides i repeat (for the nth time) what happened in the last election. why do people think trump will be elected in 2024? the only thing that will bring that about is violence, which could happen, but will undermine any claim to legitimacy.

Because Biden is now nearly as disliked (due to cost of living issues, fuel costs etc.). Fewer people will turn out to support him, especially if they’re complacent about Trump being defeated.

 

[Ax^]

just what you'd expect. i would like to know how they got the information tho'.
Willis is getting the treatment too, as it says in the article.

for some reason that state thinks it a good idea to publish the names of the jury on the indictment to keep cars fair and even

the name are listed on the second page of the indictment does not take long from that going out to find the information


other news a Texan Ashley jo maga fuck wit has been arrested for calling the court house and threating to kill the judge whilst using racist language

 

[two sheds]

Contempt of Court, Incitement and Conspiracy are terms that come to mind

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

besides i repeat (for the nth time) what happened in the last election. why do people think trump will be elected in 2024?

Remember how he was never going to actually get the nomination? Then he was never going to get elected?

If he manages to run again he’ll win.

 

[kabbes]

Remember how he was never going to actually get the nomination? Then he was never going to get elected?

If he manages to run again he’ll win.

Remember how he was never going to lose in 2020?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Remember how he was never going to lose in 2020?

Nah, after the 4 years of chaos it was never a sure thing, the narrative was always it being close.

 

[kabbes]

Nah, after the 4 years of chaos it was never a sure thing, the narrative was always it being close.

There was as much chatter about how he would never lose in 2020 as there was about how he would never win in 2016. (Besides, it was actually closer in 2016 than 2020). Loads of people were saying that he would get the nomination and loads were saying he would win in 2016.

 

[bluescreen]

There was as much chatter about how he would never lose in 2020 as there was about how he would never win in 2016. (Besides, it was actually closer in 2016 than 2020). Loads of people were saying that he would get the nomination and loads were saying he would win in 2016.

Trump is so chaotic and instinctual any outcome is unpredictable. It's a mistake to assume that he and his supporters are driven by (their own) facts and logic.

 

[Ax^]

Remember how he was never going to actually get the nomination? Then he was never going to get elected?

If he manages to run again he’ll win.

h not so sure about that his 2016 win was due to voter apathy to Clinton.

this time he not even trying to paint an image of a not crazy right wing asshole. he throwing his full weight into that angle see his "Riggers" remark this week

with racial divides and his history of governance.
people will turn out to stop him returning

and not every republican is a foaming at the mouth Fundy could see them just not voting for him again

still be a tight contest either way

 

[emanymton]

There was as much chatter about how he would never lose in 2020 as there was about how he would never win in 2016. (Besides, it was actually closer in 2016 than 2020). Loads of people were saying that he would get the nomination and loads were saying he would win in 2016.

I would not predict he will win. But I think it is a mistake to assume he can't win. I don't know what the result will be and I don't think anyone does either.

 

[Serge Forward]

I would not predict he will win. But I think it is a mistake to assume he can't win. I don't know what the result will be and I don't think anyone does either.

I know. Capitalism wins.

It's just the bit about whether the 'capitalism as usual twat' or the 'batshit fascist-leaning cunt' wins that's the tricky bit.

 

[moochedit]

I would not predict he will win. But I think it is a mistake to assume he can't win. I don't know what the result will be and I don't think anyone does either.

^
Yeah this

 

[emanymton]

I know. Capitalism wins.

It's just the bit about whether the 'capitalism as usual twat' or the 'batshit fascist-leaning cunt' wins that's the tricky bit.

One of the most depressing things over the last decade is that 'usual twat' has become a relief.

 

[Humberto]

I know. Capitalism wins.

It's just the bit about whether the 'capitalism as usual twat' or the 'batshit fascist-leaning cunt' wins that's the tricky bit.

Cost of living increasing, billionaires' wealth soaring as they grab more from our labour. Still, at least one side of the coin acknowledges climate change is real and the concept of objective truth/reality.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Cost of living increasing, billionaires' wealth soaring as they grab more from our labour. Still, at least one side of the coin acknowledges climate change is real and the concept of objective truth/reality.

The problem with billionaires that acknowledge climate change is that they see it as an opportunity for profit, rather than an existential threat to humanity.

 

[Humberto]

The problem with billionaires that acknowledge climate change is that they see it as an opportunity for profit, rather than an existential threat to humanity.

And that they would cut your throat to get it, alongside the growth of their influence and power as inequality deepens.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I would not predict he will win. But I think it is a mistake to assume he can't win. I don't know what the result will be and I don't think anyone does either.

Yeah I agree with this. What I think is wrong though and people have tended to do on this thread is to assume that he wins because of things that enrage his core support more. To win he needs more votes than last time and/or for Biden to get less. Both are possible but they're not the result of people getting ever closer to matching the shade of their stupid hat.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Hey, I’m here to enjoy this ride now. We’re used to powerful, rich, privileged people getting away with whatever they want and Trump has been the most flagrant offender possibly ever. If somebody with Trump's psychology had been born poor, he'd have wound up dead or in jail by age 20 at the latest. But Trump's wealth and social capital has shielded him from any accountability for his actions for over seven decades. But cheeto Mussolini flew too close to the sun. Now his wings are on fire and he's falling headfirst into a steaming pile of shit. His ego prevented him from forming a broad hegemonic bloc amongst the various centres of power within the rightwing elites. The liberal establishment, the old republican guard and the conservative legal movement are closing ranks to crush him. His halfwit followers and crackpot lawyers can't save him now. Let's just enjoy something for once. Think how infuriating it's been watching the rise and rise of narcissistic bully. I was largely unaware of what a cunt he was until I saw the You've Been Trumped documentary in 2011 and since then seeing his bewildering rise to the most powerful political office in the world has been a brutal experience. But the fall will be exquisite. Bring it on.