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LDC said:
I'm not sure but I don't see any good outcomes at this stage.

1) I think if he gets guilty and goes to jail (highly unlikely) it will galvanise his extra supporters in the lead-up to the election.
2) If he gets some variety of guilty and doesn't go to jail he'll be free to crow loudly and publically in the lead-up to the election.
3) If he gets a not guilty he'll crow loudly and publically in the lead-up to the election that the Deep State failed and now vote for him.

I think 2) and 3) are the most likely, I think maybe 3) nudges ahead, maybe after a mistrial/abandonment due to external pressures on the process.

Basically it's a fucking mess I think and 2024 is going to be a bit of a car crash in the US around this and electoral politics.
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Why do you think it's unlikely he'll go to jail? He's facing three and probably four indictments - three of which are very serious - in predominantly liberal jurisdictions. The evidence against him is overwhelming in the conspiracy charges at least. And his defence teams are a joke. The biggest worry I have is that he'll be found guilty, given a jail sentence, get elected president, pardon himself and get released. That would be a true nightmare.
 
Jeff Robinson said:
Why do you think it's unlikely he'll go to jail? He's facing three and probably four indictments - three of which are very serious - in predominantly liberal jurisdictions. The evidence against him is overwhelming in the conspiracy charges at least. And his defence teams are a joke. The biggest worry I have is that he'll be found guilty, given a jail sentence, get elected president, pardon himself and get released. That would be a true nightmare.
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There's only got to be one MAGA jurist to get him acquitted?

ETA but as I understand it, if he's found guilty, this judge is more than likely to send him to jail.
 
I think that possibility is a very long way down the road, with plenty to potentially disrupt any possible jail sentence happening, even if he does get found guilty. Also for all the noise now I wonder if the liberal establishment might shy way from actually wanting him in jail in the lead up to the 2024 election. But that's why I think there's no great outcomes from all this, likely to be very messy whatever happens now.
 
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LDC said:
I'm not sure but I don't see any good outcomes at this stage.

1) I think if he gets guilty and goes to jail (highly unlikely) it will galvanise his extra supporters in the lead-up to the election.
2) If he gets some variety of guilty and doesn't go to jail he'll be free to crow loudly and publically in the lead-up to the election.
3) If he gets a not guilty he'll crow loudly and publically in the lead-up to the election that the Deep State failed and now vote for him.

I think 2) and 3) are the most likely, I think maybe 3) nudges ahead, maybe after a mistrial/abandonment due to external pressures on the process.

Basically it's a fucking mess I think and 2024 is going to be a bit of a car crash in the US around this and electoral politics.
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Yes to all of that. Only thing I'd add is the timing issue and whether all of this drags on so much that it ends up playing out after the election. I don't see any wins for Democrats or liberal politics in any of it. US politics is in a place where yet more and more evidence of Trump's dishonesty hardly 'flickers the dial' and even blatant attacks on the basis of the Constitution, 'rule of law' (yuk) seem irrelevant. Defeats for liberal politics might be a good thing, but there doesn't seem to be much rising up in it's place. Things could get very messy if Trump is found guilty. And fucking Biden...

I don't know, Biden's block of voters may turn out to be bigger than the Trump/Q/Republican block, almost certainly will and may well get enough states to win. But America is now dominated by Trump's populism and the failure of the Hilary Clinton's establishment.
 
"Defeats for liberal politics might be a good thing, but there doesn't seem to be much rising up in it's place. "

"But America is now dominated by Trump's populism and the failure of the Hilary Clinton's establishment."

Don't understand your above comments in relation to the Trump situation. Please elaborate.
 
Idris2002 said:
It might have been a good idea for the liberal faction of the oligarchy to say to Trump, "look we'll quietly drop the charges so long as you quietly agree to fuck off and never come back". Probably too late for that now, though.
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That wouldn’t fit with the favourite far-right game of playing the victim. He needs and craves judicial oppression to cry victimhood. Unfair!
 
Nylock said:
Considering his age and the sentences involved, if he does get sent down then it's highly likely that he will die in prison. :)
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If he gets prison time he won't end up in your usual prison, hell be assigned to what ever low level category prison country farm type the USA has.
 
quiet guy said:
If he gets prison time he won't end up in your usual prison, hell be assigned to what ever low level category prison country farm type the USA has.
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Probably the federal pen in Pensacola, FL. Its a country club prison for the rich.

I still don't think he'll ever see the inside of a prison. Someone somewhere will step in and prevent it, maybe the Supreme Court.
 
Not going to hold my breath waiting for Trump to be found guilty of anything, much less serve time in prison, though it sounds like this indictment might cause him more sleepless nights than any of the others

Suffice it to say that as Trump faces a potentially devastating criminal proceeding in Georgia there are very few of his fellow partisans willing to defend him, and some of the biggest names in the state GOP have already testified against him before the grand jury and are likely to incriminate him in open court (a very open court since the proceedings may be televised) .... And if Trump is found guilty by a Fulton County jury at trial, he not only cannot pardon himself as he might do with a federal conviction, but cannot even throw himself on Brian Kemp’s mercy. In Georgia, pardons are administered not by the governor but by an appointed state board that in the past has limited pardons to offenders who have already done their time.

 
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