Donald Trump - MAGAtwat news and discussion

[littlebabyjesus]

Donald Trump : Favorability Polls going by that I think that's unlikely

Interesting looking at that how it is normal for everyone else for approval ratings to move up and down over time, but not for Donald Trump. His approval rating has never been 50% and has basically hovered around 40% for years in a flat line. That's his problem in a nutshell. Those who love him love him no matter what. But those who hate him hate him no matter what as well, and they outnumber the lovers. It's bonkers that 40% of the US population likes Trump. Totally bonkers. But that doesn't win him the election.

And that's the GOP's problem, of course. That 40% could very easily win him the nomination. They're fucked.

 

[Raheem]

He was a lawyer lawyering. Highly amusingly and embarrassingly for him, of course.

He got disbarred for it, which probably does weaken that defence a bit.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He got disbarred for it, which probably does weaken that defence a bit.

Ah ok. That makes sense. Professional misconduct. I still think the charge is piss weak.

 

[ohmyliver]

Interesting looking at that how it is normal for everyone else for approval ratings to move up and down over time, but not for Donald Trump. His approval rating has never been 50% and has basically hovered around 40% for years in a flat line. That's his problem in a nutshell. Those who love him love him no matter what. But those who hate him hate him no matter what as well, and they outnumber the lovers. It's bonkers that 40% of the US population likes Trump. Totally bonkers. But that doesn't win him the election.

And that's the GOP's problem, of course. That 40% could very easily win him the nomination. They're fucked.

Agreed. It's like the whole 'amongst registered Republians Trump is hugely popular' thing. Registered Republicans make up 21 or 22% of the electorate.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Here's the whole thing if you can bothered ploughing through it.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23893938/govuscourtsdcd25814910_2.pdf

 

[petee]

Ah ok. That makes sense. Professional misconduct. I still think the charge is piss weak.

1: apart from that one charge you seem to be focusing on to the exclusion of all the others, smith has been writing crushing indictments.
2: Rudy's personal and professional life is a wreckage.
3: Trump's current lawyers have been mumbling words that sound an awful lot like "it's Eastman's and Giuliani's fault."
4: smith puts him in the indictment.

=

they're gonna try to flip him. it worked on gravano against gotti after all. imagine if it works now ...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

1: apart from that one charge you seem to be focusing on to the exclusion of all the others, smith has been writing crushing indictments.
2: Rudy's personal and professional life is a wreckage.
3: Trump's current lawyers have been mumbling words that sound an awful lot like "it's Eastman's and Giuliani's fault."
4: smith puts him in the indictment.

=

they're gonna try to flip him. it worked on gravano against gotti after all. imagine if it works now ...

Fair enough. I may be understating Giuliani's complicity in the events that led to 6 Jan.

 

[Flavour]

No fucking way on Earth Trump is going to win another election, though he may still win the republican candidacy because they're batshit insane. But there's just no way he's winning an election. He's too fucked. These charges will not help.

 

[krtek a houby]

He will absolutely get the candidacy and the Presidency.

No way are the Republicans going to bail on him. Apart from Chris Christie, the other runners are too terrified of the voters to criticise him.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/30/politics/trump-second-term-president-election-2024/index.html

 

[Mezzer]

Why did it take two and a half years for this indictment? I was surprised that there were no repercussions at time.....

 

[krtek a houby]

Why did it take two and a half years for this indictment? I was surprised that there were no repercussions at time.....

The wheels of justice turn slowly.

Imagine they wanted to get everything about the indictment right. Gathering evidence, etc.

 

[moochedit]

I'm pleased he has finally been charged although i have my doubts he will be convicted as it only takes one trump supporter on the jury to sink it. (Unlike the uk majority 10-2 or 11-1 verdicts are not allowed).

 

[Karl Masks]

Why did it take two and a half years for this indictment? I was surprised that there were no repercussions at time.....

They better get on with prosecuting this otherwise he will stand for election possibly winning immunity if elected.

Nothing will happen of course.

 

[Karl Masks]

No fucking way on Earth Trump is going to win another election, though he may still win the republican candidacy because they're batshit insane. But there's just no way he's winning an election. He's too fucked. These charges will not help.

Could well lead to more civil unrest if he gets prosecuted.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He will absolutely get the candidacy and the Presidency.

No way are the Republicans going to bail on him. Apart from Chris Christie, the other runners are too terrified of the voters to criticise him.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/30/politics/trump-second-term-president-election-2024/index.html

The candidacy, sure. But how does that translate into the presidency? What will be different this time around from last time around, other than the fact that the people who hate him if anything hate him even more intensely now? It scarcely matters who the Dems put up against him. He'll turn out his base and he'll turn out his anti-base. And his anti-base is larger than his base.

 

[Maltin]

3 is Giuliani? Tbh the charges against him sound piss weak.

No, Co-conspirator 1 is assumed to be Giuliani. The batshit one that even Trump thought was crazy was Sidney Powell.

 

[krtek a houby]

The candidacy, sure. But how does that translate into the presidency? What will be different this time around from last time around, other than the fact that the people who hate him if anything hate him even more intensely now? It scarcely matters who the Dems put up against him. He'll turn out his base and he'll turn out his anti-base. And his anti-base is larger than his base.

Hope you are right in your certainty.

 

[two sheds]

I wonder whether they're adding them as co-conspirators in an effort to get them to turn state's evidence?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No, Co-conspirator 1 is assumed to be Giuliani. The batshit one that even Trump thought was crazy was Sidney Powell.

Ah, I misread that as the co-consiprator thinking Trump was crazy. That makes sense. I'd forgotten about her.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Hope you are right in your certainty.

My confidence that his anti-base is larger than his base is based on the evidence of all the polling of the last few years. We can be very confident that he would lose the popular vote by a margin of several million. Can he fluke a victory with a minority of the votes as in 2016? Without some hardcore skullduggery and a lot of luck, it's hard to see how. He's in a worse position than he was in in 2020.

 

[rubbershoes]

. And his anti-base is larger than his base.

As long as they turn out and vote. His support is stronger amongst older people and they vote more than the young. And many antis could think he's fucked because of the prosecutions and not bother

 

[two sheds]

And a good bit of social media disinformation and voter interference in the right states ....

 

[littlebabyjesus]

And a good bit of social media disinformation and voter interference in the right states ....

Like he did last time. It's not like he lost last time while playing fair.

 

[two sheds]

They've had the extra practice now though.

Could Biden not have made voter interference a Federal Offence?

 

[The39thStep]

He needs to unleash Paula White

 

[littlebabyjesus]

As long as they turn out and vote. His support is stronger amongst older people and they vote more than the young. And many could think he's fucked because of the prosecutions and not bother

Things like the overturning of Roe vs Wade should concentrate minds. Ironically, his great legacy - turning the Supreme Court - could prove a huge obstacle.

 

[Dom Traynor]

The biggest thing in Trumps or any Republican candidates favour is the frailty of Biden.

The biggest thing in Biden's favour is if Trump gets selected. Which now looks slightly less likely.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yeah that's how I see it as well. Surely Trump is the opponent the Dems would most like to have. Despite all the understandable fears raised here about it, Trump winning the candidacy is surely a good thing. Incompetent evil rather than competent evil.

That's the thing that struck me most about the attempts to overturn the 2020 election result - the sheer incompetence of everyone involved.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Offer Giuliani and Co plea deals that include living out their days in comfort and freedom, with a fair bit of security thrown in. When the alternative is "the rest of your life is in Federal prison", watch them sing like canaries.

 

[ohmyliver]

There's also the classified documents, and the intefering of the election in Georgia cases to come.

He's lost the popular vote twice, squeaking a victory by 80,000 votes in 3 states in 2016, before all of this.