Donald Trump - MAGAtwat news and discussion

[Jeff Robinson]

I need to listen to the podcast again as the discuss something very similar to this but can't remember it now.

But I'm not sure if a better letter is really a nudge, as it is oftern used though?

Also I think I should be clear that nudging can have an impact just far less than is claimed.

One example from the podcast was about displaying fruit in a school canteen so more kids took fruit. And claims were made about a huge increase in the number of kids taking fruit, whihc was reue. But that is not the point, what mattered was how much more fruit the kids were actually eating, which was much less.

But the point they don't make is that there was an increase, so it did work to an extent just no where near as much as was claimed.

If I recall the podcast episode correctly, the hosts grant that nudging can be successful in shifting some micro-behavioural and micro-economic activity, but argue that the authors of the book assume a far too grandiose role for it to the detriment of macro social and economic reforms.

 

[kabbes]

The other thing about behavioural economics generally is that it completely ignores the sense-making — both social and individual in origin — that underlies why people do what they do. It doesn’t take much imagination to see why that would be a a very limited model of behaviour

 

[Silas Loom]

The infamous archetypal case, where HMRC sent out some reminder letters saying “most other people like you have already paid” and other letters without that wording. The first type of wording was materially more successful.

That’s common or garden social proof, though, a la Robert Cialdini - you don’t need to be a nudge theorist to use those methods.

 

[kabbes]

That’s common or garden social proof, though, a la Robert Cialdini - you don’t need to be a nudge theorist to use those methods.

Yeah, this is true. But I think it’s fair to say that all psychological models are just metaphors that partially describe reality, rather than any one being definitively “true” in some kind of logical positivist way

 

[cupid_stunt]

“In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs, the people that came in, they’re eating the cats,” said Trump. “They’re eating the pets of the people that live there.”

Has he watched an episode of The Simpsons that we're not aware of?

I was joking, but this has surfaced.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Trump’s team are claiming to be pursuing a similar strategy to the Brexit vote, working to get people out voting who don’t normally vote so that they win even if it doesn’t reflect public opinion overall. All the lies and bullshit help this.

We probably aren’t seeing his hidden campaign on social media because we won’t be targeted by it and won’t be able to call out the bullahit. But with Silicon Valley billionaires and Russia on his team it’s likely to be highly efffective unfortunately. Let’s hope the democrats can get their vote out, but I’m not hopeful.

^This is why I subscribe to right-wing sites and registered as a Republican. The odd thing is that I'm pretty sure they know I'm not one of them, even though I don't post, I just lurk. For example, I've gotten none of the usual campaign literature from the Republicans. I get some from the Democrats.

So they have a detailed profile on everyone.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I'm fed up of the neighbourhood cats shitting all over my garden and catching the wild birds. Anyone know if there are some immigrants who want to move into my estate? If Trump is right, they would be most welcome!

i don't want to post a link, the details are awful, but someone in another ohio town did kill and eat of a cat. there's police bodycam of the arrest. she's an American and trumpers are passing her off as a Haitian in Springfield.

remember, there is no bottom.

I had a neighbor lady that was poisoning dogs because they chased her cats. She was no Haitian.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I mean, I was half asleep, so could have imagined it but at one point did Trump suggest Harris was in favour of aborting babies after they were born? Ie, murdering them? And had to be corrected by the moderator?

He says this quite a bit at his rallies and his supporters eat it up.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

you can be people.in America are weird was watching the news yesterday in rural Georgia and they had two old white fella saying they were voting for trump because Harris has been in 3 and half years and had not brought industry's back to their state. and trump had promised would bring it back

He must have missed the part where Trump was in there for four years and didn't bring his job back.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Is there a leftwing Labour Party? They weren't on the ballot paper on East Ham.

Well, no, not now, they've moved too far to the centre, arguably tipped over into right of centre with their let's keep hungry children living in poverty and let's kill pensioners to prove we're fiscally responsible and keep the markets happy policies/votes.

I was signposting where they (ostensibly) are on the UK political spectrum for frogwoman who seems to be based in the US.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I'm still scared.

I am too. Even if Trump loses, the people who wrote Project 2025 will still be out there pushing their agenda. They'll smoothly transition to another candidate that will push it. They'll fund think tanks and professorships that will push their ideology. IMHO, these nebulous religious groups that back him, the Heritage Foundation, and ALEC are even more scary than Trump ever thought of being. They don't see Democracy as a good thing. The crazy shit we see has taken decades to develop, it's not going away soon.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I am too. Even if Trump loses, the people who wrote Project 2025 will still be out there pushing their agenda. They'll smoothly transition to another candidate that will push it. They'll fund think tanks and professorships that will push their ideology. IMHO, these nebulous religious groups that back him, the Heritage Foundation, and ALEC are even more scary than Trump ever thought of being. They don't see Democracy as a good thing. The crazy shit we see has taken decades to develop, it's not going away soon.

Sounds a bit like Project for the New American Century for a new era. The architects of PNAC already pre-formulated their intention to invade Iraq and just needed Bush junior to be voted in in order to make it happen.

Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

ETA: I've just been taking a closer look at Project 2025. Eek!

Project 2025 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GarveyLives]

A familiar playbook:

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[Chz]

I was joking, but this has surfaced.

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[GarveyLives]

Trump’s team (including Musk) have said that they are going after people who don’t normally vote. This is the exact method used by the pro-Brexit campaign, which worked pretty well for them and confounded pollsters. I have a bad feeling that this might work.

"Take Back Control"


"Get Brexit Done"


"Stop The Boats"


"Save The Cats"


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The US presidential debate saw Trump become what he most feared: a laughing stock

 

[cupid_stunt]

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The US presidential debate saw Trump become what he most feared: a laughing stock

Talk about displacement activity. Harris put Trump off his stride from the moment she came onstage and forced the world’s biggest germophobe to shake her hand. In her high heels and dark suit, the 5ft 4in vice-president did more than stand up to the 6ft 3in former president — she towered over him. Trump’s face was a mask of sullen resentment as Harris drove her stilettos into the most sensitive parts of his anatomy. In short, she kicked him in the balls.

 

[petee]

the Heritage Foundation, and ALEC are even more scary than Trump ever thought of being.

yes ALEC is appalling.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Jones or Baldwin?

 

[two sheds]

Now this is surprising

Bomb threats reported at multiple buildings in Springfield, Ohio

A bomb threat has prompted a major police response in Springfield, Ohio, on Thursday morning, according to the city commission office.

abcnews.go.com

 

[VivaE]

Trump's mature and gracious reaction to Taylor Swift endorsing Harris: (for info, Mahomes is an idiot MAGA friend of Swift's who's been vocal recently in her support for him):

“I actually like Mrs. Mahomes much better if you want to know the truth,” Trump said. “She’s a big Trump fan. I was not a Taylor Swift fan... But no, I liked Brittany. Brittany got a lot of news last week. She’s a big MAGA fan. That’s the one I like much better than Taylor Swift.”

Trump responds to Taylor Swift endorsing Harris, says he likes Brittany Mahomes better

The Republican presidential nominee, who called the pop star “terrific” in 2012, told Fox News he “was not a Taylor Swift fan.”

www.msnbc.com

 

[Boo Radley75]

Don't know why Trump would be getting his knickers in a twist about eating cats, anyway. I'm guessing he would only approve if the cats were endangered and they just killed it, to cut of it's tail for a trophy.

 

[weltweit]

Trump is just demonising immigrants, it supports his argument .. about the wall etc etc

 

[Oriole]

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

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FEWER. Of all the terrible things the Republicans have done, this is the worst.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So they're attempting to self-satirise now, intentionally?

It's very confusing to think exactly what they think they're achieving.

 

[two sheds]

I think it's in response to the weird accusations, they're trying to show that they're not weird

 

[andysays]

FEWER. Of all the terrible things the Republicans have done, this is the worst.

It's also possible that there's a comma missing and the message is ordering Arizona's kittens not to eat so much.

 

[WouldBe]

Don't know why Trump would be getting his knickers in a twist about eating cats, anyway.

He might be worried about what he's eating.
Kentucky Fried Cat.
Big cat and fries.

 

[spring-peeper]

Don't know why Trump would be getting his knickers in a twist about eating cats, anyway. I'm guessing he would only approve if the cats were endangered and they just killed it, to cut of it's tail for a trophy.

 

[petee]

So they're attempting to self-satirise now, intentionally?

for awhile now. michelle bachmann used to try to get out of things by doing it.