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[VivaE]

It's been an effective lie in some places - like social media - but I think it does not play well in a Presidential debate, it just looks as utterly stupid as it is. It won't put off the Red Hats, but then nothing will; but it could well put off lukewarm Republican voters and switch on Dem-leaning generally-non-voters as they consider just how deranged Trump looks and that maybe it's a good idea to keep him out.

Also he actually said 'Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison.' Someone pointed out that sounded like he'd dropped all his dogwhistle cards on the floor and had just read them out in random order.

Now now, that's an example of his brilliant word-weaving.

“I do the weave. You know what the weave is? I’ll talk about, like, nine different things that they all come back brilliantly together. And it’s like friends of mine that are like English professors, they say: ‘It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen,’” he told a bemused audience. "But the fake news, you know what they say, ‘He rambled.’ It’s not rambling. What you do is you get off a subject to mention another little titbit, then you get back on to the subject, and you go through this and you do it for two hours, and you don’t even mispronounce one word.”

Some of us are just not sophisticated enough to follow the weave.

 

[VivaE]

I think I’ve made my point pretty clear in every post I’ve made today.

The memes and comments are just to show what Trump supporters are saying after the debate. They don’t prove anything and they don’t especially support my view. That’s not why I posted them.

But they're pretty meaningless in the scheme of things, surely? Just another day of logic-defying and grammatically challenged idiocy and ignorance from the usual sources and suspects.

 

[scifisam]

Story, yeah, I absolutely got the impression you were arguing. Could just be tone not getting across online of course.

Tired old tropes used against women - whiny, bossy, demanding, irrational, etc etc - when those who dislike/resent them can't come up with anything concrete to criticise them for. A piece in the WaPo a few days ago sums it up perfectly, Harris's efficiency and professionalism reduced to weaknesses and negatives -



It's pathetic. (ETA - the WaPo link https://archive.ph/XGeDi )

That's a bizarre criticism, isn't it. The VP wants to know why something's been added to her schedule, and won't just do things her staff tell her to without asking why?

Has there ever been a President or vice president who was ordered about by their staff? I mean, except probably Reagan, for obvious reasons.

 

[petee]

And I think I used programme somewhere when I meant program (i.e. a computer program). I noticed at the time but was rushing about.

oh - they have different meanings? i thought it was just a US/UK thing.

 

[story]

scifisam

Maybe I was loud /argumentative because I was following the thread in a disjointed way myself.

The thread probably does read differently when it’s moving than when it’s read start to finish. Well I know it does cos that’s how threads always read. Like, bunfights always look and feel very different during vs after.


I guess I’m pressing the point because to me it doesn’t look like there’s enough recognition of what I perceive to be significant danger.
It feels to me like there’s a wide spread complacency (everywhere) about how well Harris is doing (the closing of the gap notwithstanding.)
I’d be very glad to be wrong about that.

I’m certainly no political intellectual but I’m pretty good at reading the zeitgeist; what’s currently going on in America feels deeply worrying to me, in a way that exceeds what I see and read anywhere.

(E.g. the day after the first debate in the 2016 campaign I knew without any doubt at all that Trump would win, and never wavered in my certainty. It felt unsettling. And I’m having similar gut feelings now.)

My opinion has changed back and forth during this campaign. I’m paying close attention to what Trump supporters are saying because it was listening to them that gave me the clues last time.

That’s why I’m including the comments etc that I posted up there. I posted them because I find them useful as part of my own observations. If others find them redundant or distracting or irrelevant I can easily not share that stuff again.

 

[story]

oh - they have different meanings? i thought it was just a US/UK thing.

It’s both. (I think)
But program has been adopted in some quarters (probably because of Silicon Valley) to refer to computer stuff. (I think)


I could be entirely wrong about that. Or it might be something that’s labile at the moment.

I sometimes get muddled because of my American connections.

 

[GarveyLives]

The media reacts:

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[Calamity1971]

 

[PursuedByBears]

oh - they have different meanings? i thought it was just a US/UK thing.

Programme - TV or radio
Program - computer

 

[weltweit]

Just watched it.
IMO Each side could think their candidate won ..
I wonder what undecided or floating voters actually think?

 

[VivaE]

I guess I’m pressing the point because to me it doesn’t look like there’s enough recognition of what I perceive to be significant danger. It feels to me like there’s a wide spread complacency (everywhere) about how well Harris is doing (the closing of the gap notwithstanding.)
I’d be very glad to be wrong about that.

Honestly, I think you're reading that incorrectly. That you're mistaking positivity towards Harris on here as complacency, when all it really is is desperate hope that somehow, despite everything she's up against, that America, come Nov, will rise to the occasion and come good again. I don't think anyone on here - or elsewhere for that matter - is under the impression that sanity must and will prevail.

Staying positive and focused on positivity is all that we can do in the interim in order to remain sane.

 

[weltweit]

I find it a little odd that Trump can say really insulting things about people in and outside the room, but he doesn't swear. It kind of sounds like he must be swearing but of course he isn't.

I liked when Harris went on the direct offensive against Trump and looked at him while she said it, he looked a bit shocked that someone could play his game back at him.

 

[frogwoman]

I guessed Trump was gonna win in 2016 too. This time i think its gonna be Harris but I'm much less certain of that than I'd like to be and I think it will be by a lower margin than people expect too.

 

[spitfire]

Is there a highlights reel?

I've seen the pet eating clip.

 

[frogwoman]

I find it a little odd that Trump can say really insulting things about people in and outside the room, but he doesn't swear. It kind of sounds like he must be swearing but of course he isn't.

I liked when Harris went on the direct offensive against Trump and looked at him while she said it, he looked a bit shocked that someone could play his game back at him.

Going for the Conservative anti 'cursing' vote

 

[Coffeecup]

I find it a little odd that Trump can say really insulting things about people in and outside the room, but he doesn't swear. It kind of sounds like he must be swearing but of course he isn't.

I liked when Harris went on the direct offensive against Trump and looked at him while she said it, he looked a bit shocked that someone could play his game back at him.

I found this.

The cursing president

How Trump changed America's rules about profanity

theweek.com

If you read or scroll down to what Billy Graham said about Nixon I think Graham is rather silly.

 

[Coffeecup]

I thought Harris was terrific and really made Trump look ridiculous which he is/was. She’s her own person and doesn’t need aggression to get her point across. She’s very clever and very calm. I think Trump should be worried and probably is. Watching CNN earlier most presenters and commentators were bordering on either laughing or smirking. I don’t think they could help it. Unprofessional? Some might think so, but I think Kamala Harris’s debating skills and technique has burst Trump’s bullshit bubble.

The contrast between sanity and insanity was crystal clear but yes Americans must not be complacent. They must get out and vote.

 

[Coffeecup]

Is there a highlights reel?

I've seen the pet eating clip.

Harris v Trump: highlights of the presidential debate – video

After weeks of arguments over the format and rules, the first presidential debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris took place in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, a key swing state

www.theguardian.com

 

[spitfire]

Harris v Trump: highlights of the presidential debate – video

After weeks of arguments over the format and rules, the first presidential debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris took place in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, a key swing state

www.theguardian.com

Fantastic thank you.

 

[_Russ_]

Harris is about as far right as the average Tory Cunt over here and yet the best option........how to unfuck this shitpie?

 

[story]

Honestly, I think you're reading that incorrectly. That you're mistaking positivity towards Harris on here as complacency, when all it really is is desperate hope that somehow, despite everything she's up against, that America, come Nov, will rise to the occasion and come good again. I don't think anyone on here - or elsewhere for that matter - is under the impression that sanity must and will prevail.

Staying positive and focused on positivity is all that we can do in the interim in order to remain sane.

Noted.

I’ll back off and keep reading.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Harris v Trump: highlights of the presidential debate – video

After weeks of arguments over the format and rules, the first presidential debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris took place in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, a key swing state

www.theguardian.com

The both look like they are trying to pick up a very hot pot.

 

[xenon]

Just watched it.
IMO Each side could think their candidate won ..
I wonder what undecided or floating voters actually think?

If there are undecided who watch that and still don’t know who to vote for they are basically a waste of carbon and energy.

 

[two sheds]

I only saw the second half of the debate - looks like I missed the best bits

I did like the look on his face when she said people were leaving his rallies because they were bored. That woke him up.

 

[xenon]

Noted.

I’ll back off and keep reading.

I’ve found your posts interesting. What is FWIW whilst I’ve not read every post on the last few pages, I didn’t think you were arguing, rather emphasising.

 

[scifisam]

Honestly, I think you're reading that incorrectly. That you're mistaking positivity towards Harris on here as complacency, when all it really is is desperate hope that somehow, despite everything she's up against, that America, come Nov, will rise to the occasion and come good again. I don't think anyone on here - or elsewhere for that matter - is under the impression that sanity must and will prevail.

Staying positive and focused on positivity is all that we can do in the interim in order to remain sane.

Yeah, all I see is people hoping against hope, really.

I have to say, Trump was better than expected in those excerpts. He was mostly using full sentences and real words and didn't walk around behind Kamala like he was trying to stick a "kick me" paper on her back.

 

[two sheds]

I can just imagine trumpies going "yay" as he landed each of his killer blows .. they're eating your pets ... biggest crowds in the history of politics ... nobody goes to her rallies ... Afghanistan was the most embarrassing day in the history of America ...

 

[pogofish]

Every single Trump supporter I know personally was a bully in high school, and often beyond high school. They recognize their own.

A great deal of the support Trump had here over Menie cold equally be described as bullying cunts. Loyalists, misogynists, football thugs etc. He certainly appealed strongly to that mindset.

And my ex, now at least. Back then, she hated him with some vengeance but has gone right down that rabbit hole in all the worst ways over the years since.

 

[pogofish]

I'm saying that laughing him off, resting on his bizarre absurdity, is blinkered.

Laughing at him was the tactic we found most effective at getting under his and his toadies skin - They were so far-up their own and his arses that they were utterly unable to cope with it!

 

[Dogsauce]

I guessed Trump was gonna win in 2016 too. This time i think its gonna be Harris but I'm much less certain of that than I'd like to be and I think it will be by a lower margin than people expect too.

Trump’s team are claiming to be pursuing a similar strategy to the Brexit vote, working to get people out voting who don’t normally vote so that they win even if it doesn’t reflect public opinion overall. All the lies and bullshit help this.

We probably aren’t seeing his hidden campaign on social media because we won’t be targeted by it and won’t be able to call out the bullahit. But with Silicon Valley billionaires and Russia on his team it’s likely to be highly efffective unfortunately. Let’s hope the democrats can get their vote out, but I’m not hopeful.