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She's staying on for one reason. The slim chance Trump is kicked off the ballot by the Supreme Court leaving her the lone candidate.

That is certainly one of the reasons, though I think another one might be that someone over there has worked out that making Trump appear weak is probably something that would work quite well against him.

Without wishing to make him sound like some kind of silverback gorrilla, an awful lot of his appeal (to those he appeals to) is that he is "strong"; the people who go up against him from his own mob - Cruz, DeSantis, Christie (though not so much now), Beck, Graham, Fox News etc - are defeated by him and end up playing a subservient role, humiliating themselves on his behalf. This idea of him is why all the normal scandals - the affairs, the assaults on women, the fraud, the chasing of wealth, the indulging of family and those who suck up to him - has never really worked against him for that section of the electorate, they expect him to do that because that is what "strong" leaders do. These are people who lap up the whole idea of Alphas and Betas, cucks and chads etc.

By staying in against his attacks, especially against political wisdom, it will probably do him a lot of damage simply because she isnt crushed. He will probably end up trying to buy her off with the VP spot, if she isnt physically attacked by someone from the MAGA sphere.
 
I think itā€™s good for Haley to continue for several reasons. Trump wants her out so that he can focus on his legal issues and not spend time and money campaigning. The more he can be distracted and have to lose money the better. It also shows weakness when he can only get just over 50% of the republican vote. Hopefully her funders are willing to continue to support her even though she is unlikely to beat Trump to continue to demonstrate and exploit Trumpā€™s weakness.
 
I thought this was interesting, on the new(ish) House Speaker:


It looked like he was going to be your run-of-the-mill insane MAGA politician but seems to have an excellent policy for dealing with them.

Several GOP lawmakers told The Daily Beast they are worried Johnson talks out of both sides of his mouth, telling members what they want to hear, and then doing what they donā€™t want. He announced in November he was done relying on short-term spending billsā€”then passed another. He said he would not put a short-term extension of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act into the annual defense billā€”and then did just that. He signaled his desire to cut spendingā€”and then infuriated conservatives when he largely stuck to the spending deal McCarthy struck with Democrats earlier in the year.
 
I thought this was interesting, on the new(ish) House Speaker:


It looked like he was going to be your run-of-the-mill insane MAGA politician but seems to have an excellent policy for dealing with them.

Telling whatever lies people want to hear and then going ahead and doing whatever you want regardless? Sounds like the distillation of MAGA.
 
I think itā€™s good for Haley to continue for several reasons. Trump wants her out so that he can focus on his legal issues and not spend time and money campaigning. The more he can be distracted and have to lose money the better. It also shows weakness when he can only get just over 50% of the republican vote. Hopefully her funders are willing to continue to support her even though she is unlikely to beat Trump to continue to demonstrate and exploit Trumpā€™s weakness.
As soon as his polls vs Biden start to properly tank, her funding will quickly evaporate. Whether she manages to win a couple of states or not...
 
And not sure I believe this but we can live in hope.

In June 2023, Trump was charged with retaining national security informationā€”including U.S. nuclear secrets and plans for military retaliation in the event of an attackā€”and obstructing the government's efforts to retrieve them.
"People forget how damaging the evidence is in that Florida case," Elias said on Sunday's edition of the show. "It is literally about a former president of the United States stealing highly classified sensitive documents from the United States government, treating them cavalierly, showing them to people, storing them willy-nilly.
"It is devastating to him politically. It's devastating legally. It puts him in real prospect of going to prison for a long time."
The trial in the classified documents case is set to begin on May 20, but appeals based on Trump's disclosure arguments could delay it. Trump, currently the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican nomination, wins the November election, he could seek to drop the charges in his cases.
 
Donald Trump does not have presidential immunity and can be prosecuted on charges of plotting to overturn the 2020 election, a US court has ruled.

Mr Trump had claimed in the landmark legal case that he was immune from criminal charges for acts he said fell within his duties as president.

But Tuesday's ruling in Washington DC struck down that claim.

It is a setback for Mr Trump who has for years cited presidential immunity while battling multiple cases.

The former president is expected to appeal against the ruling, meaning the case could ultimately go to the Supreme Court where conservatives hold a 6-3 majority.

US Special Counsel Jack Smith has charged Mr Trump, 77, with conspiring to overturn Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 election and committing fraud to stay in office.

The trial in that case was initially scheduled for 4 March, but was postponed pending a ruling on the immunity claim.

It could be delayed for weeks, if not months, if the case ends up before the Supreme Court.

Earlier this month, a panel of judges heard the case at the DC Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington DC.

The argument from Mr Trump's lawyer hinged on the idea that a president who is not convicted for impeachment by Congress cannot be subject to criminal proceedings. Mr Trump, they noted, was impeached by the House of Representatives but never convicted by the Senate.

The judges, however, sounded sceptical. Judge Florence Pan suggested that, with immunity, a president could sell state secrets or order the assassination of a political rival without being concerned about criminal prosecution.


(BBC News)
 
"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron." ā€” H. L. Mencken

well!
 
Surprise, surpise, another legal loss.


We all know these appeals are just stalling techniques, we've still got the appeal to SCOTUS. Best we can hope for is that they just deny the appeal altogether, that will mean Trump's trial date can be set - if this goes to trial before the election, Trump will be jailed. SCOTUS will never rule in Trump's favour on this one (mad dissents from Thomas and Allito are the best he can hope for), but they could help him delay the case until after the election.
 
hmm Donald losing it a bit of trump social

a president would never be able to leave office with complete immunity:mad:


you know you orange turd you are the 45 president ... no one else commited sedition whilst in friggin office :D
 
So there were 2 rival republican votes in Nevada with Haley standing in one and Trump is standing in the other one on thursday (the only one that actually counts for delegates).
Just when you thought the system couldn't get any weirder :hmm: thought ours was bad :D
 
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