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Donald Trump got turned down!!!!!!!!!

danny la rouge said:
Yeah, well, much as I dislike Trump, this coat of arms thingy is a load of very silly nonsense.
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Fully agree, this along with the Hollyrood enquiry is just a bit of a diversion from the main issues - Trump & his cronies seem determined to avoid any serious exploration of them.
 
It is going to a public enquiry now:

http://news.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/Donald-Trump-Public-inquiry-ordered.3829133.jp

TYCOON Donald Trump's plans for a £1 billion golf resort are to go to a public inquiry, it was announced today.
The application for the development in Aberdeenshire was rejected by the local council last year, but was later called in by the Scottish Government.

Scottish finance secretary John Swinney said: "Given the nature of the application and the considerable public interest, it is important that the process to examine the issues is as efficient, transparent and inclusive as possible."

The Trump Organisation described the announcement as a "regrettable setback".

Mr Swinney said he hoped there would be no "unnecessary delay" and pledged to make a decision within 28 days of receiving a report on the issue.
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Dear dear, it seems we are costing Mr Trump an awful lot of his own money:

Donald Trump’s personal bill to create his Scottish golf dream in Aberdeenshire has already run into tens of millions of pounds, it emerged last night.

The American property tycoon wants to create two championship golf courses, a 450-bedroom hotel, 950 holiday homes and 500 houses at the Menie Estate, near Balmedie.

However, the ambitious proposals have been hit by a number of setbacks in the last six months over concerns about the impact on the shifting sand dunes at Menie – a site of special scientific interest.

Project manager George Sorial would not reveal the exact sum spent so far by his boss, but he said it was already “tens of millions of pounds”.
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http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/538438

Are we being bad? :D

Also, the Martin Ford story rumbles on:

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/539774
 
Donald Trump’s personal bill to create his Scottish golf dream in Aberdeenshire has already run into tens of millions of pounds, it emerged last night.

WTF?? Sorry but how can it have cost that much to not be able to do something?? Maybe he's getting ripped off by someone :D Karma anyone??
 
Better than that, you should see how much the various tentacles of the Trump empire are into Bear Stearns for! I bet things are hot under a few collars in Trump-HQ tonight? :eek: :D

Then there is a lawsuit pending, for a sum that is considerably more than he is worth.

Either way, if this latest report is at all true, it indicates what might be a very significant departure from Trump's normal business model? I don't know if impressed is the right word but it is quite enlightening to see how he has previously managed to keep his personal wealth insulated from his commercial activities. Maybe this is one of the reasons he has managed to emerge from his bankruptcies still smelling of roses? Whilst his contractors & investors shouldered the worst of the losses.

I hope they sort this one out at the enquiry - It would actually be nice to know just who we are dealing with.

Anyway, on a lighter note. In a different place, after many, many argumentative & abusive posts, one of the Trump stooges there saved his best for last & at the end of a particularly bitter & contradictory post, called me the very worst thing he/she seemed able to think of.

Apparently I'm nothing more than a "Radical Lib-Dem!" :eek: :D :D
 
Seems that Trump is quite confident:

DONALD Trump has blundered into yet another row over his plans to build a £1 billion golf resort in Scotland, by confidently boasting: "I'm going to get it."
The American billionaire made his prediction despite the plan being called in by the Scottish Government for an independent review.

The timing will not be welcomed by Alex Salmond, the First Minister, who is still battling claims that his government has been rolling over for the tycoon.
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http://news.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/-Trump--39between-you.3942311.jp#2669895

Sounds more like fronting-up to me.

Several of Trump's traditional institutional backers (US & EU) have taken quite a hammering recently & I doubt he would get away with yet another junk bond issue in the current climate (although nothing would surprise me about the gullibility of some of his investors).

Financial aspects are going to be within the remit of the enquiry so it will be interesting to see where the money might be coming from.
 
Saw the comment on the news this evening. What a dick that man is :rolleyes:

And that article hasn't changed my mind in any way. Wish to fcuk his ma had been born on mainland Europe.
 
geminisnake said:
Wish to fcuk his ma had been born on mainland Europe.
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Like his father?

I wonder if he has plans for a "memorial" there?

Germany, his homeland is probably nearer & more relavent to Menie (given the historic trade links from this area) than his mother's island. Which Trump has never even bothered to visit.
 
Just to give an idea of the location relative to the city, I snapped this the other day:

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The site of the development is roughly where the rainbow sits.
 
pogofish said:
Here is the article that kicked this one off:

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/05/trump200805?currentPage=1

Some of it is quite interesting. :)
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good article. I thought VF was some kind of top-end cleb pap. good report.

Vanity Fair said:
Hobday continues: “And here’s the biggest sheet of sand in the system. The closest comparison is an oil slick,” he says. “If it were an oil slick, what would you do? Would you let it float around, killing habitat? Or would you clean it up? I call it a giant sea slug. Or a land-based oil slick that devours farmland and habitat, gobbles it up. It’s not the result of a natural process; it’s an aberration, the result of a violent storm 40 years ago. And the responsible, natural thing to do is to stabilize it. By stabilization I mean strategically planting more of the native marram grass that is already here, holding the dunes in place.
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:mad: this bit made me a little mad. fairly divorced from reality. It is really annoying how those that are involved with development just dismiss anything out of had when others aren't agreeing with them. There is no fair discussion going on.

I don't understand why so many people in Aberdeenshire are bending over backwards for Trump If it is nominally about some expensive property development (it is) why can't they get a local consortium together and develop a pre-exsisting golf course or site with 'world-class' accomodation and 450 odd house. The usual Scottish lack of ambition I guess- get the big boys in to do it eh? --while they run away with all the monies :rolleyes:
 
Superdupastupor said:
I don't understand why so many people in Aberdeenshire are bending over backwards for Trump If it is nominally about some expensive property development (it is) why can't they get a local consortium together and develop a pre-exsisting golf course or site with 'world-class' accomodation and 450 odd house. The usual Scottish lack of ambition I guess- get the big boys in to do it eh? --while they run away with all the monies :rolleyes:
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I think that may have more than a little to do with some of the careful manouverings that have taken place in the background/run-up to this (& I'm not suggesting graft either) & something to do with the peculiar nature of the Scottish/US relationship here. Which has been undeniably very good for a lot of folk who would not have had much of a future otherwise. Also some very effective mismarketing, both of the scheme & the nature of the local economy. It was a good few years before Trump's name was mentioned that I first heard of someone buying-up land in the area for some purpose.

I'm wondering if a local consortium is not in some way/at least partly behind this scheme? One of the things most lacking so far is a demonstrable business case & any sort of info on funding/investment sources, which there may be a very good reason for - Normally most local developers would have to prove they had adequate financial backing to see any scheme through but who would doubt a "billionaire" like Trump? . As well as his own property interests, since his bankruptcies, Trump has effectively marketed his name as a brand & fronted-up several similar developments for other consortia in other countries. Maybe he was just the first choice for going up against the environmental regs/planning process? Other considerably less damaging developments have been refused the Menie area before - Mainly on environmental/infrastructural grounds. I know that at least one of those developers is livid about the current turn of events.

As well as Hobday, who turned-out to be that buyer, the former estate owner & one Stuart Spence have been important second-line figures.

Spence in particular is interesting. He is a major force in the local business community & sits on various trade/consultative/advisory bodies & I have a feeling that his part in the story has yet to emerge. Especially after the recent sale of his own hotel (plushest in the area), amidst the general anticipation that he will soon emerge in a very senior position on the hospitality side of Trump's scheme.

The 450-600 houses (plus the shedload of timeshares) is just the beginning. The application also attempts to set a principle for future expantion into the 1400-1700 range. The exact nature of this side of the plan is very vague indeed.
 
Interesting - This could just be coincidence but Ricky Simpson, another local entrepreneur (now mostly based in Monaco) has sold his hotel.

One of Aberdeen’s most popular hotels has been sold to a city property company, it emerged yesterday.

News that Simpsons had been sold to Manorisms, which operates luxury serviced accommodation at Kepplestone Manor in the city’s west end, confirmed speculation that had been rife among Aberdeen’s business community for many weeks.

The “quick deal” was announced in a joint statement from international property agent Knight Frank and Aberdeen-based chartered surveyor Alex Robb. No value was put on the sale, but the property alone is worth millions of pounds. Sale value estimates range from £8million to well over £10million.

Simpsons, in Queen’s Road, was formerly owned by flamboyant north-east entrepreneur Ricky Simpson.
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http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/587603

Bluntly, Trump would be just his style. They even have similar hair now.
 
In Todays P&J:

The sum is dwarfed by the £14million pumped into the Angus economy by last year’s Open golf championship at Carnoustie, which generated £26million for Scotland in general, but a spokesman for the Puerto Rico Tourism Company said the island was happy with the boost: “The Puerto Rico Open also impacted on other economic sectors, including tours and excursions, small and medium-sized hotels, car rental, transportation services and restaurant reservations in the central-eastern region of the island.”

George Sorial, managing director international development for The Trump Organisation, who is leading Trump International Golf Links Scotland, said Aberdeenshire could expect similar benefits if the Balmedie scheme gets the go-ahead.
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http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/580734

So they are back to plugging the "championship" aspect of the scheme. Which is about as far fetched as you can get as even the Golf lobby accept that the chances of any course of Trump's being chosen to host a major one in the next few decades are very slim indeed.

Maybe the Angus posters might like to comment on the relavance of the Open to most of the ordinary folk there?

Or how despite this "massive" influx of cash, a large chunk of the golf infrastructure at Carnoustie changed hands just last year because it was not making money.
 
Menie Links & Aberdeen uni students

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This thread is amazing, the only problem is that in many people in Aberdeen don't seem to care about this enough or are blinded by the possible short-term. economic gains. Some students at Aberdeen uni have recently set up a forum site to raise awareness about the implications on this beautiful area(see pictures above). Its just starting out but seems promising.

http://www.fgreed.org
 
Innes - This is too good to keep on your forum. I hope you don't mind:


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Well now, howd'ya like a nice succulent chunk of Trumpsteak! :D

At only 40 dollars a pop (for a burger!).

Could you make this-up? Is there anything this guy won't do for money?

:D :D :D


For some reason, the tune Meateater by Mark Shreeve is now going round & round in my head!
 
pogofish said:
Maybe the Angus posters might like to comment on the relavance of the Open to most of the ordinary folk there?

Or how despite this "massive" influx of cash, a large chunk of the golf infrastructure at Carnoustie changed hands just last year because it was not making money.
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:hmm: Trying to put it politely, it was a grade A pain in the arse for everyone I know.

It(the Open) may have been a factor in them doing the dual between Arbroath & Dundee but only one small factor. The number of deaths and serious accidents(I would hope) was a major factor. There have been no deaths since it opened :)
 
The Scotsman is now reporting a postulation that the council might be acting illegally:

ABERDEENSHIRE Council was yesterday accused of breaking the law by deciding to back plans for Donald Trump's £1 billion golf resort – after the scheme had been thrown out by its own planning committee.

The claim has been made by John Agnew, a leading Scottish town and country planner, in a legal submission to the Scottish Government's public inquiry into the controversial Menie Estate development. Mr Agnew acts on behalf of four members of SustainADVERTISEMENTable Aberdeenshire, the protest group formed to oppose the golf resort.

He stated that officials and councillors from the north-east authority would be acting beyond their legal powers if they were to appear at the inquiry in any role other than to speak in support of the decision of the council's infrastructure services committee (ISC) to reject the Trump scheme.

On 29 November, Mr Trump's plan to site two championship golf courses and a major housing and leisure development on a fragile stretch of the Aberdeenshire coastline was thrown out on the casting vote of Martin Ford, the chairman of the planning authority.

On 12 December, at a special meeting of Aberdeenshire Council, Mr Ford was sacked as the full council gave its backing to the controversial application. But the application, by then, had been called in by Scottish ministers.

Mr Agnew argues in his submission that the application was not in front of the council for determination, whether or not it had been called-in, and "it could not lawfully be revisited".

He states: "The ISC acted lawfully for and on behalf of the council. The council's position at the public local inquiry into the called-in application is to be heard in support of the reasons for refusal of the application referred to.

"The council's apparent intended position to appear against the act lawfully done in the name of the council is unlawful, irrational and amounts to a procedural impropriety. It is … an absurdity that the ISC members have been put in the position of appearing at the inquiry, in support of the reasons for refusal, without professional representation."

Mr Agnew claims: "The absurdity arises from the fact that ISC members supporting a decision taken on behalf of the council will be opposed by the council acting unlawfully by contradicting its own decision and by abandoning those who were delegated to act on behalf of the council."

An Aberdeenshire Council spokesman said councillors would be asked to consider their position on the Trump application at a meeting on Thursday to "ensure that the council's position is clear during the public inquiry".
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http://news.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/Trump-golf-plan-council-accused.4004860.jp


I notice they have switched off the comments for this one! :D
 
'Trump said jump, Salmond said how high?' - golf row deepens

'Trump said jump, Salmond said how high?' - golf row deepens

ALEX Salmond was yesterday accused of compromising Scotland's planning system with his handling of Donald Trump's application to build a £1 billion golf resort.
MSPs yesterday debated the findings of an investigation by Holyrood's local government committee, which last month found the First Minister showed "exceptionally poor judgment" with his actions over the controversial planning application by the American tycoon.

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/39Trump-said-jump-Salmond-said.4019931.jp
 
Yup. Just been reading that.

Also see that Aberdeenshire have voted 56-5 to back the deal whatever. Looks like this is now going headlong into the legal quagmire. :(
 
Evening Express tonight:

DONALD Trump today pledged to bring real jobs for real people if his £1 billion North-east golf development gets the go ahead.

And it’s understood the tycoon could provide a school and around 100 affordable homes in the area.

Project manager Neil Hobday promised there would be a jobs bonanza for the North-east, with up to 1,400 permanent posts at the Menie Estate.

And he said they would be targeting the jobless as well as high-fliers......
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http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/609121

OK. This is maybe a sign that he is beginning to negotiate but if these claims are true, why is the third or fourth biggest building in the entire scheme a staff barracks & why are there rumours of him already making recruiting approaches via agents elsewhere? :confused:
 
pogofish said:
why is the third or fourth biggest building in the entire scheme a staff barracks & why are there rumours of him already making recruiting approaches via agents elsewhere? :confused:
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Coz he's full of shit and will spout what arseholes are prepared to believe but none of it will come to pass and it'll be too late then. You're not that bloody niave surely??
 
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