Donald Trump got turned down!!!!!!!!!

[pogofish]

The situation has now moved on again.

Trump has flatly refused to appeal/go to enquiry & insisted the council simply overturn the planning decision & just hand it to him or he will go to Northern Ireland instead. Which of course is something the council has no legal power to authorise.

This is blackmail, plain & simple.

 

[wiskey]

will he get permission in N ireland?

if he goes there and they turn him down maybe he'll give up

 

[pogofish]

It depends where he goes & that is not clear yet. North Antrim is highly tipped (similar links landscape) but they already have a world-class course at Portrush. Trump would have his work cut-out as there are stricter regional laws regulating large scale development in NI.

A group who have successfully opposed a similar US carpetbagger developer in Omagh have been in touch & offered us considerable support & advice over the last few weeks so they already know about it & are watching.

Co Londonderry may also be a possibility.

Here is the BBC link about his latest move:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7124705.stm

They are not kidding when they say this guy uses attack as the best form of defence!

 

[pogofish]

And from our Evening Express tonight:

 

[heinous seamus]

There was a tory councillor from Dumfries saying they would gladly have the development down there. Wonder if his constituents agree.

 

[heinous seamus]

And from our Evening Express tonight:

No local press on your side?

 

[pogofish]

Friday's headline was "Trators"

Both main local papers are now owned by DC Thompson now & trump has done a sterling job & made significant inroads with them & the local buisness community. The rest of the local press is kitchen table by comparison.

Our best hearing & support has been from the nationals. TBH.

 

[nino_savatte]

And from our Evening Express tonight:

That isn't good.

 

[Ungrateful]

There was a tory councillor from Dumfries saying they would gladly have the development down there. Wonder if his constituents agree.

Was it one of the three Tory councillors (Denis Male, Gail MacGregor and Roberta Tuckfield) who stayed away from a Council meeting which had invited a Buddhist, rather than the usual Christian minister giving the pre-session prayer - because they believe that Dumfries and Galloway council is a “Christian organisation”? This does seem to indicate a minor confusion as to the role of local government, if this is the calibre of Trump's supporters he really is in trouble.

Councils are full of numpties (and neeps) and Dumfries and Galloway council is particularly blessed with an over-adundance of them (a former longstanding local labour councillor had the endearing habbit of getting pissed up in town then insulting local electors with increasing random insults) -- so it makes Aberdeen's elected officials all the more remarkable for standing up against the likes of Trump.

 

[pogofish]

It is Aberdeenshire Council, rather than Aberdeen City BTW. Although the City is all behind Trump as well & had a delegation over to see him yesterday.

Somewhat surprisingly, one of the councillors who voted against is none other than Marcus Humphrey - Who is a major landowner where I am & a few years back, we won a very unpleasant conservation battle with him. Over his wanting to poison everything in a large loch in a particularly sensitive National Nature Reserve so it could be restocked with rainbow trout as a commercial fishery. So his conversion came as a bit of a shock!

As for the legal position, here is the Exec's policy/guidelines on costal development & Trump's scheme just blows holes in it:

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/1997/08/nppg13-coastal

 

[pogofish]

Was it one of the three Tory councillors

It was Ivor Hyslop

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7121112.stm

I know about Dumfries's attitude to religion from other matters.

 

[Ungrateful]

I know about Dumfries's attitude to religion from other matters.

I don't want to derail the thread -- but what other matters are these Pogofish?

 

[nightowl]

And from our Evening Express tonight:

classy

 

[pogofish]

This is the paper that recruited Cameron Stout from Big Brother as a regular columnist.

 

[pogofish]

I don't want to derail the thread -- but what other matters are these Pogofish?

Organising events, licencing & child custody matters.

 

[nino_savatte]

This is the paper that recruited Cameron Stout from Big Brother as a regular columnist.

Fucks sake, that really is the pits.

 

[Ungrateful]

Organising events, licencing & child custody matters.

And these were influenced by religious considerations? If so, Pogofish, my sympathies, that is outrageous, have you taken it up with the relevant authorities (Omsbudsman etc?). Pardon my surprise Dumfries never struck me as a particularly religious town (despite the presence of a small, albeit over-enthusiastic evangelical church).

D&G Council are a bunch of moronic flakes, and they are willing to do anything for any two-bit businessman with a line in snakeoil to peddle. So I can imagine most of them would happily sacrifice their own children for the opportunity to despoil on Trump's behalf, some precarious eco-system.

 

[bodach]

We could always move the border further north and engerland can have D&G

 

[Ungrateful]

We could always move the border further north and engerland can have D&G

Jeez not only would we still have D&G Councillors but as a result of being banished from Scotland we'd lose our supply of chips n'cheese -- haven't we suffered enough?

 

[Louloubelle]

no time to do this properly, but I thought you might find it amusing

eta
that's such an interesting piece of propaganda I think you should post the original poster in he main forum and seek revisions from the people who can do this stuff really well

 

[Radar]

Now the SNP has stepped in

Is it normal for them to override local planning decisions ??

 

[pogofish]

And these were influenced by religious considerations? If so, Pogofish, my sympathies,

D&G Council are a bunch of moronic flakes, and they are willing to do anything for any two-bit businessman with a line in snakeoil to peddle. So I can imagine most of them would happily sacrifice their own children for the opportunity to despoil on Trump's behalf, some precarious eco-system.

None of those affected me directly. It was people I know or have had dealings with who had the problems.

Take a couple of hours off & you suddenly hear of new developments. Which sound utterly unpreceedented. Away to try & make some sense of them.

 

[pogofish]

Now the SNP has stepped in

Is it normal for them to override local planning decisions ??

No, in fact I don't think it is even legal, unless the normal planning procedure is followed.

 

[pogofish]

Buried in the planning acts just now & frankly, still dumbfounded. I see how they can call it in when the normal process is completed but with the current state of play, is seems pretty clear that any application should be disallowed.

 

[Radar]

No, in fact I don't think it is even legal, unless the normal planning procedure is followed.

So its a "keep asking the question until we get the answer we want" kind of thing

I see that chairman Martin Ford isn't too happy about being overriden, to put it mildly. But as the knives are out for him and he's currently under a vote of no confidence, perhaps he has other things to worry about.

So much for local democracy. It's a shame the SNP can't be overridden on this by Westminster, the irony would be delicious

 

[pogofish]

So its a "keep asking the question until we get the answer we want" kind of thing

I see that chairman Martin Ford isn't too happy about being overriden, to put it mildly. But as the knives are out for him and he's currently under a vote of no confidence, perhaps he has other things to worry about.

So much for local democracy. It's a shame the SNP can't be overridden on this by Westminster, the irony would be delicious

More or less. The Exec's only practical option is to appoint a reporter who will either hear the case themselves via written submission or will call a public enquiry - Even then, the chance of extra legal action is high.

Martin Ford certainly has other problems. - despite his council accepting he conducted the meeting properly & that he even followed the correct council/Hollyrood procedure for dealing with a hung vote, namely to support the status quo.

Think Westminister still can if they want to get involved. Hollyrood are using provisions from the 1997 planning act & under that, the Secretary of State for Scotland still has the final say.

ETA

Someone has started a petition on the Downing St website:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/trumpoff/

 

[geminisnake]

Now the SNP has stepped in

Is it normal for them to override local planning decisions ??

Holyrood has overridden local SNP decisions before. The whole Arbroath Asda fiasco, which developed into the Tesco/Asda fiasco. We still have neither 4/5 yrs on.
Doesn't bother me but it irritates folk who shop in either of them that they still have a 30+ mile round trip to shop.

Signed the petition

 

[pogofish]

Its not the overriding that is exceptional, the thing here is that they have taken it in before the local procedure was finished & Trump had exhausted the normal channel of appeal.

The press fiasco has completely ignored the second amandment to the proposal - to allow the scheme outline approval but subject to revision/modification. Which was passed with a clear majority (9-5) by the comittee.

Trump could easily have continued with that but chose to railroad his original scheme instead.

 

[pogofish]

Well, they seem to have killed the messageboard.

However, discussion continues on the Press & Journal board which by some lucky quirk is not run by DC Thompson directly.

[direct link broken]www.nepforums.co.uk/thisisnorthscotland/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1

 

[mitochondria]

today i have heard somewhere of trump giving a 10k tip

money