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Donald Trump got turned down!!!!!!!!!

Donald Trump has denied claiming he would create the "world's greatest golf course" to justify building it on environmentally sensitive land.

WTF???!!!??? THE lying cnut said that last night on STV, I'm sure he did.
 
Just seen him on TV explaining how he is an environmentalist because he will be stabilising the dunes. Im not one for thinking snitchy things about peoples appearance but I must say I though - you cant stabilise your own bloody fringe mate.
 
Right - Public access will be out. FTM, the Menie dunes are a place free to all:

Dave Morris, of the Ramblers Association of Scotland, asked the celebrity if it was his intention to have security gates on the site and that members of the public would be stopped and not permitted entry.

Mr Trump replied: “Yes, you will have people travelling from all over the world to play the course and I think they would have a problem with people walking all over the course.

“If people are coming to play golf and there are people sunbathing on the sand dunes it doesn’t work. There is also the danger with people you could get hit by a golf ball”

Mr Morris pointed out that at the St. Andrews golf course the public have access.

http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/682797?UserKey=0
 
Donald J Trumpland!!!!!

Coverage from the FT

“Would you like to call Mr Donald J Trump?” asked the chairman of the inquiry. “Call Donald J Trump!” said counsel. “My name is Donald J Trump,” began the witness, “and I am a real estate developer from New York City.”

Now, however, he was in Aberdeen, trying to get permission to build a golf complex just north of the city on the Menie estate (pronounced meanie).

Donald Trump in Aberdeen

Donald Trump appears before an inquiry in Aberdeen as the tycoon continues to seek planning permission to build, among other things, two golf courses and a five-star hotel just north of the city

It will shortly, no doubt, be renamed Donald J Trumpton, the jewel of the north-east coast of what will probably become Donald J Trumpland but for the moment retains the name Scotland, or – as Mr Trump calls it, “Scudland”.
 
Thanks for the FT link. :)

And today - News that Edinburgh has forced developers to modify their plans because of a Tern colony adjacent to their site.

A DOCKLAND development is having to be redrafted after planners were alerted to the presence of Britain's biggest tern colony, The Scotsman has learned.

Developers behind the transformation of Edinburgh's waterfront have had to go back to the drawing board to protect 900 breeding pairs of the birds on an island in Leith Docks.

New walkways and bridges have had to be relocated, the heights of new apartment blocks have been halved and a new cultural centre has been moved away from the colony.

The plans have been redrawn after Scottish Natural Heritage warned the developers, Forth Ports and Edinburgh City Council, that the island – about 200m north-east of the Ocean Terminal shopping centre – is home to about 5 per cent of the British common tern population.

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Tern-colony-forces-Uturn-.4171633.jp
 
I saw him on BBC News last night, milking his Skye connection and claiming that his proposals would actually preserve the dunes. :rolleyes:

He also has German ancestry...I guess he won't be mentioning that - eh? ;):D
 
I saw him on BBC News last night, milking his Skye connection and claiming that his proposals would actually preserve the dunes. :rolleyes:

He also has German ancestry...I guess he won't be mentioning that - eh? ;):D


I very rarely agree with you but I must admit Trump must be turned down. Agree that his German connection will not go down well (although it hasn't hurt the Royal Family).

I've nothing against making honest money (Trump excluded) but in this case he shoul dfuck off and make his money elsewhere.

Besides that with the coming recession / depression are there going to be enough customers to make this project profitable.

I 've got the nasty feelign that Trump is going to win this as he's probably bought the officials and politicians involved in this enquiry.
 
A welcome investment in Scotland

Any investment that Scotland can get can only be a good thing, I think most people are peeved-off with the SNP because they are actually showing good leadership and being good at their job, lets face it if the SNP are good at their job then full devolution will happen, and that IS the main worry for a lot of people, what I would say to them is this: we have been treated as a second rate race for too long now, surely its about time we had a go at running our own country? Or do you really think we are that incapable? I personally think that the SNP cannot do any worse than any other government before them, indeed they are in my opinion doing a far better job than any previous party, I have never voted for SNP before but I shall next time, I think people should take their "Party Blinkers" off and vote honestly, labour have nose-dived, can't be argued with, and the conservatives are just too untrustworthy and in my opinion it is still far too soon to vote them back into power after their "less than successful" stint in office, Mr. Salmond may get some peoples backs up but he gets his point across and does not let himself get bullied into backing down, this case with trump tells me that he is willing to jump in if there is an injustice or wrong decision made, what bigger injustice is their than turning away mega investment in the country we love? What would have been the headline if Mr. Trump was allowed to walk away and build his Golf course in Ireland? Imagine the whole world talking and laughing at us when the new course was opened in Ireland? “you know he actually wanted to build this fabulous new course in Scotland, but for some strange reason the Scots turned him away” Aberdeen like many areas have been going through rough times with the fishing quotas ever decreasing and boats being scrapped, surely any investment can only be a good thing for the area? I hope for Scotland’s sake this can start to simmer down slightly as it really is quite embarrassing for Scotland and Scottish people alike.
I live 5 miles from “Turnberry Golf course” and 8 miles from the recently brand new course “Brunston Golf Course” at Daily and both these courses are teaming with wildlife, wild dear roam the course as do rabbits, hares, foxes even field mice and countless species of Birds (not just the well-tanned ones!) they really are beautiful courses and there is no reason this new course at Aberdeen will not be the same, and I’m sure it will add to the many beautiful Golf courses that Scotland has.
One more point, from living next to the courses of "Turnberry" and "Brunston" and visited "Troon" on many occasion, these courses rely heavily in Americans investment as do a lot of people in Scotland from different areas, i have met many Americans and they absolutely dote on the Scottish people, all this anti-American is pretty ignorant and heavily embarrassing for the Scottish people.
Act like the friendly welcoming Scottish we are (or supposed to be) and not like our self-righteous ignorant cousins who want us to fail in everything we do.

Jamie
Girvan, South Ayrshire.
Scotland
 
Well Jamie, what did you make of yesterday's economic evidence then? It seems that apart from the housing bonanza for Trump & his cronies, the real potential benifit for the area looks a whole lot less than the overinflated figures bandied about so far? It also showed-up Trump/Sorial's claims about spending (from around the new year) to be a complete crock of shit.

As for politics, leave it out - this is a not a party thing (here anyway). Most of us are grown-up enough to realise that they can make a mistake, nevermind that they may be doing well in other ways. :)

Ireland is a ruse, pure & simple - If he did go there, he would find a considerably stricter planning system in place, especially in Antrim, where extra legislation protects the "Causeway Coast" (& adjacent lands) from development to a far greater degree than anywhere here. Besides, there are only two stretches of remotely similar coastal land in Antrim that could accomodate a development of that scale, one is largely a disused airfield/training area & I really don't believe the other would be a serious consideration due to its already protected status & proximity to a real championship course.

I don't know Brunston but you can hardly consider that the landscape at Turnberry is in quite the same league environmentally. It was constructed in another era to very different standards - large part of the greater site is a disused airfield for a start! It also lacks the dynamic ecosystem that makes the most sensitive part of Menie rather special.

It has also been up for sale for the best part of the last year so the lack of US trade is a bit obvious there. Its current owners even cited that as a reason for getting shot of it - Despite its genuine championship status & a place on one or more of the international rosters. Which is something Trump's proposals don't stand a chance of getting for a very long time. Saying that, if Trump really wanted to get a foothold in Scotland, he could snap that course & its associated property up for a song.

Act like the friendly welcoming Scottish we are (or supposed to be) and not like our self-righteous ignorant cousins who want us to fail in everything we do.

There is a big difference between being friendly & welcoming & the sort of suckers we are being taken for here. I hope you can see the difference, Trump obviously can't.
 
i dissagree mate, Turnberry is a beautiful course, Americans are feeling the pinch just now but trade will pick up as it has always done. At turnberry golf course i know of aprox 200 golf caddies on the books who make their living from the course, add that to the green keepers caddie masters servents at clubhouse, waiters/waitresses, cooks, cleaners, servicemen, porters and all other employees then you have one establishment that employs 1000+ of local people, would this not be helpful to the Aberdeen area? also a big course like this would only help property prices in aberdeen.
I totally understand some locals worried about new structures going up near their home and what they would look like, but, it is a golf course, hotel and new propertys that we're talking about here, we can't just keep everything the same until the end of time, a new golf course would be a way of guaranteeing that nothing else untoward will be built there.
I live right next to the local course in Girvan (golf course road) and have done for nearly 20 years and there has never been any problems, infact the houses on our street are the most sought after in our area.
there is a small part of turnberry that was used as an airfield in the war, this is not part of the course, this is now used as a gateway for the greenkeepers to carryout maintanence without damaging the course.
Turnberry may not be in the same class as the menie site, but its a beautiful course with breathtaking scenery, and more importantly its one of scotlands plus points, every scot in the land should be proud of such places all over scotland and not take the stance that one is better than the other enviromentaly, or in other way for that matter.

Also, not sure if you know this or not, but Turnberry has just been sold, heres the details:
Starwood Hotels & Resorts has sold its 219-room Turnberry golf and hotel resort in Scotland to Dubai-based investment firm Leisurecorp for £55m.

Under the terms of the deal, announced today, Starwood will continue to operate the five-star resort, the host venue for the 2009 Open Championship, with a 30-year-plus management contract. The sale is expected to complete on 31 October.

Leisurecorp, which already works with Starwood on a number of developments, has committed to “significant investment” in the resort.

This includes a re-development and re-launch of the hotel, which is due to close in late 2008 and will re-open ahead of the Open, under Starwood’s Luxury Collection brand. It previously ran under the Westin banner.

I don't think anyone is being taking for suckers, A rich man comes along (regardless whether you like him or not) and wants to invest megabucks into your area and build a topclass golf resort, he doesn't want any money from you and will very likely add value to your house and give jobs to the locals in short and long term basis - How is that taking anyone for a mug?
 
Aberdeen/Aberdeenshire has amongst the lowest unemployment rates in Scotland & an average skill level/salary expectation that is a lot higher than the vast majority of jobs in the hotel, catering & golf biz. So apart from a few high-profile token posts, just where is Trump going to find these people? We can't staff our existing hospitality sector without resorting to the gangmasters as it is.

We have a fairly good idea what the structures might look like - Hideous neo-baronial piles that hark back to the days of Victoria & patronising Balmorality - The very sort of tartan kitsch that I would hope a modern Scotland would be trying to put behind it. They are also totally out of scale with anything in the area & its infrastructure.

Here is a link to the application, its a lot of reading but worth persevering with:
http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/planning/apps/detail.asp?ref_no=APP/2006/4605

Equally, nobody has completely ruled out the possibility of developing the Menie estate, even some of the main opponents were initially in favour of the idea, until they saw just where parts of were to be sited (ie the SSSI) & the amount of housing tacked-on. Trump would have given himself a much easier ride if he had left that small part of the overall site alone.

£55 million for Turnberry! :eek: That is well below the asking price of a few months ago (£110mil OTOH?) & a huge amount less than the sellers bought it for. Despite a tenfold increase in Exec subsidy/promotion, Golf has been in steady decline for the last few years but this seems worse than I ever imagined.

We have seen no shortage of rich men shouting about investing money round here in the last few decades & few if any of them have left the place better off for it.

Three examples:
Malcolm Forbes (US publishing) - Got himself a fine castle & gave us a picnic, library & a few bequests in return. His sons now keep a tax-deductable art collection there & keep-on the picnic. (hey, do I remember that Trump & Forbes have a bit of rivalry going?)
John Kluge (US TV) Bought an estate next to Balmoral & ran it into the ground over a few short years, properties derelict, workers laid-off, US staff & hunting methods imported. Result was that most of his guys were run-out of the country ahead of cruelty charges & the National Trust have been trying to undo the serious damage to one of our most valuable stretches of upland environment ever since. This has cost us an awful lot in the long run.
Armand Hammer (oil) - Piper Alpha & dereliction.
I could go on & on........

Yesterday's evidence also turned-up that Trump's investment is only going to be about £12 million, not the "personal" billion he had previously claimed. I think you can appreciate that even with investment from his (possibly local?) partners, there are several ways a developer can speculatively lever ongoing funding when there is approval for an initial 500 houses in an area short of 3+ bedroom places. Webster also went no higher than £500 million for the total scheme & I simply don't believe this might go-off without significant tax incentives from the Exec to reduce the £100 million tax estimate.

Also, a 10 year timescale for the hotel/golf side of things but an accelerated 6 year plan for the housing screams scam to me. Contrast that with Blairs, where the development/housing plan has to run strictly together.
 
Any investment that Scotland can get can only be a good thing, I think most people are peeved-off with the SNP because they are actually showing good leadership and being good at their job, lets face it if the SNP are good at their job then full devolution will happen, and that IS the main worry for a lot of people, what I would say to them is this: we have been treated as a second rate race for too long now, surely its about time we had a go at running our own country? Or do you really think we are that incapable? I personally think that the SNP cannot do any worse than any other government before them, indeed they are in my opinion doing a far better job than any previous party, I have never voted for SNP before but I shall next time, I think people should take their "Party Blinkers" off and vote honestly, labour have nose-dived, can't be argued with, and the conservatives are just too untrustworthy and in my opinion it is still far too soon to vote them back into power after their "less than successful" stint in office, Mr. Salmond may get some peoples backs up but he gets his point across and does not let himself get bullied into backing down, this case with trump tells me that he is willing to jump in if there is an injustice or wrong decision made, what bigger injustice is their than turning away mega investment in the country we love? What would have been the headline if Mr. Trump was allowed to walk away and build his Golf course in Ireland? Imagine the whole world talking and laughing at us when the new course was opened in Ireland? “you know he actually wanted to build this fabulous new course in Scotland, but for some strange reason the Scots turned him away” Aberdeen like many areas have been going through rough times with the fishing quotas ever decreasing and boats being scrapped, surely any investment can only be a good thing for the area? I hope for Scotland’s sake this can start to simmer down slightly as it really is quite embarrassing for Scotland and Scottish people alike.
I live 5 miles from “Turnberry Golf course” and 8 miles from the recently brand new course “Brunston Golf Course” at Daily and both these courses are teaming with wildlife, wild dear roam the course as do rabbits, hares, foxes even field mice and countless species of Birds (not just the well-tanned ones!) they really are beautiful courses and there is no reason this new course at Aberdeen will not be the same, and I’m sure it will add to the many beautiful Golf courses that Scotland has.
One more point, from living next to the courses of "Turnberry" and "Brunston" and visited "Troon" on many occasion, these courses rely heavily in Americans investment as do a lot of people in Scotland from different areas, i have met many Americans and they absolutely dote on the Scottish people, all this anti-American is pretty ignorant and heavily embarrassing for the Scottish people.
Act like the friendly welcoming Scottish we are (or supposed to be) and not like our self-righteous ignorant cousins who want us to fail in everything we do.

Jamie
Girvan, South Ayrshire.
Scotland

It isn't "anti-American[ism]", it's anti-Trump and, tbh, I see nothing wrong with taking a stand against greedy capitalists like Trump.
 
Is he being all "I am Donald Trump of the clan McTrump ?"

More or less.

http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/680510

On top of his "homecoming," he has also upped the pressure by having talks with the Comhairle about renovating the currently rundown Lewis Castle into another hotel/leisure scheme.

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/new...ewis_castle_talks_during_trip_to_Scotland.php

So, there might be another important building, that is currently in public ownership & having served a useful social purpose (school/college), about to be handed back to the fickle patronage of yet another absentee landlord. :mad:
 
Here is a report on the economic case & it seems the scheme is to be financed by an initial small investment, which is then used to lever further loans to fund its subsequent progress. So, that demonstrates everything claimed so far is complete bullshit.

http://news.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/Golf-resort-is-high-risk.4177035.jp

This is nothing other than a recipe for financial disaster. No wonder he wants the housing up first & the profits out of the country as fast as possible probably. No local developer would even get past a first hearing on the strength of this. :rolleyes:

Nicely put here.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...-scotland-to-donald-trump-nothing-845062.html
 
It isn't "anti-American[ism]", it's anti-Trump and, tbh, I see nothing wrong with taking a stand against greedy capitalists like Trump.

Beat me to it :D

I don't dislike americans. I dislike lying, greedy, manipulative, smarmy cnuts, whatever their nationality :D

Fubert, he is saying if it wasn't for his mammy being scottish he would have cleared off long ago. Strangely I don't believe him. If it's so important to his mammy's memory why the feck is it in the NE?? She came from the isles.
 
He also sacks folk wholsale, esp when his buisnesses go right to the edge of failure. Never mind the numbers of smaller suppliers, contractors & creditors who have had to take catastrophic losses because of his manipulation of the US Chapter 11 bankruptcy laws to stay afloat. The big financiers of course did much better. :mad:

The size of the staff block in the proposal also suggested he was looking to the hospitality industry's gangmasters to staff the place, rather than the local area. Which has one of the lowest unemployment rates in Scotland.A properly worked economic case was also absent from the proposals, which is unsurprising because golf tourism is in decline here & the one thing that the industry monitors seem to agree on is that the very last thing Scotland needs is another big honeypot golf development.

Some sod has just started a campaign to liberate & rehabilitate Trump's wig! :eek: :D


err higest in scotland? I'm pretty sure Aberdeen has some of the lowest in scotland.
 
Well, after having his name bandied about in connection with the scheme, Sean Connery has finally come out in favour of it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7468763.stm

Former James Bond star Sir Sean said he did not know about all the specific details, and that dune and soil concerns would have to be addressed.

By the sound of his interview on the BBC this morning, he knew very little about the scheme other than Trump's offer of a free membership & invitation to be the first person to play.

:rolleyes:
 
Any investment that Scotland can get can only be a good thing, I think most people are peeved-off with the SNP because they are actually showing good leadership and being good at their job, lets face it if the SNP are good at their job then full devolution will happen, and that IS the main worry for a lot of people, what I would say to them is this: we have been treated as a second rate race for too long now, surely its about time we had a go at running our own country? Or do you really think we are that incapable? I personally think that the SNP cannot do any worse than any other government before them, indeed they are in my opinion doing a far better job than any previous party, I have never voted for SNP before but I shall next time, I think people should take their "Party Blinkers" off and vote honestly, labour have nose-dived, can't be argued with, and the conservatives are just too untrustworthy and in my opinion it is still far too soon to vote them back into power after their "less than successful" stint in office, Mr. Salmond may get some peoples backs up but he gets his point across and does not let himself get bullied into backing down, this case with trump tells me that he is willing to jump in if there is an injustice or wrong decision made, what bigger injustice is their than turning away mega investment in the country we love? What would have been the headline if Mr. Trump was allowed to walk away and build his Golf course in Ireland? Imagine the whole world talking and laughing at us when the new course was opened in Ireland? “you know he actually wanted to build this fabulous new course in Scotland, but for some strange reason the Scots turned him away” Aberdeen like many areas have been going through rough times with the fishing quotas ever decreasing and boats being scrapped, surely any investment can only be a good thing for the area? I hope for Scotland’s sake this can start to simmer down slightly as it really is quite embarrassing for Scotland and Scottish people alike.
I live 5 miles from “Turnberry Golf course” and 8 miles from the recently brand new course “Brunston Golf Course” at Daily and both these courses are teaming with wildlife, wild dear roam the course as do rabbits, hares, foxes even field mice and countless species of Birds (not just the well-tanned ones!) they really are beautiful courses and there is no reason this new course at Aberdeen will not be the same, and I’m sure it will add to the many beautiful Golf courses that Scotland has.
One more point, from living next to the courses of "Turnberry" and "Brunston" and visited "Troon" on many occasion, these courses rely heavily in Americans investment as do a lot of people in Scotland from different areas, i have met many Americans and they absolutely dote on the Scottish people, all this anti-American is pretty ignorant and heavily embarrassing for the Scottish people.
Act like the friendly welcoming Scottish we are (or supposed to be) and not like our self-righteous ignorant cousins who want us to fail in everything we do.
Jamie
Girvan, South Ayrshire.
Scotland

:)
 
Yes, it does & that part of Aberdeenshire is about the lowest of them all?

Probably i don't have hard facts and figures, i just remember reading on the bbc website that unenployment was about at 1.7% in aberdeen. There's no good reason for anyone in aberdeen to be without a job, there's over a thousand jobs every week in the paper.

Also the argument that carnoustie is failing as a golf course so this one will too is not a very strong one, carnoustie does not have the welth around it that aberdeen does, like buisnesses that can buy corprate membership to entertain guests, plus with the amount of people who work offshore in aberdeen that have a lot of free time on there hands to play golf, not mentioning the "international airport" that will attract the international guests . plus you only need to look at how quickly new houses sell in aberdeen to see that luxary houses will sell, aberdeen and the surrounding area needs new houses.
 
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