Donald Trump got turned down!!!!!!!!!

[pogofish]

like buisnesses that can buy corprate membership to entertain guests, plus with the amount of people who work offshore in aberdeen that have a lot of free time on there hands to play golf, not mentioning the "international airport" that will attract the international guests . plus you only need to look at how quickly new houses sell in aberdeen to see that luxary houses will sell, aberdeen and the surrounding area needs new houses.

Carnoustie (like all the other courses alluded to) is a well established golf destination & Dundee itself has come a long way since the 80s. If Carnoustie can't make it with true championship status & a far better infrastructure, what chance does Menie have? Unless of course, the housing is the main thing.

None of this is reason in itself to dig-up the most sensitive areas, is it?

The rest is addresded in a managed & sensible manner throughout the area via the Aberdeenshire Structure plan, which this scheme totally ignores.

 

[Backdrifts]

Carnoustie (like all the other courses alluded to) is a well established golf destination & Dundee itself has come a long way since the 80s. If Carnoustie can't make it with true championship status & a far better infrastructure, what chance does Menie have? Unless of course, the housing is the main thing.

None of this is reason in itself to dig-up the most sensitive areas, is it?

The rest is addresded in a managed & sensible manner throughout the area via the Aberdeenshire Structure plan, which this scheme totally ignores.

No offence to dundee, but its a dump compared to aberdeen and it does not have no where near the level of welth that aberdeen has, comparing it to aberdeen is like comparing oranges to apples.

And can birds not live on golf courses? last time i was on a golf course they could.


to deny any sort of investment to an area is backwards, never mind a multi million pound one.

 

[pogofish]

No offence to dundee,

And can birds not live on golf courses? last time i was on a golf course they could.


to deny any sort of investment to an area is backwards, never mind a multi million pound one.

As are most of the other comparisons with this proposal. None of them have the same issues of scale, environmental sensitivity & of course the "essential" whopping great housing scheme.

The particular ecosystem at Menie is a rather unusual dynamic system that has a wide variety of sensitivity issues. Some of which may benifit from the development, whilst others certainly will not. What was it, pushing 60 different sensitive plant & animal species in the citation? Many of which are types highly adapted to marginal locations which will not thrive in a richer managed environment. This is a lot more than just a few birds.

Anyway, why does that "wealth" allow an absolute cunt like Trump to lie, bully & bulldoze his way through a whole raft of laws & established procedures in order to get his mitts on it? Especially when his proposed "investment" turns out to be largely thin air?

 

[Backdrifts]

As are most of the other comparisons with this proposal. None of them have the same issues of scale, environmental sensitivity & of course the "essential" whopping great housing scheme.

The particular ecosystem at Menie is a rather unusual dynamic system that has a wide variety of sensitivity issues. Some of which may benifit from the development, whilst others certainly will not. What was it, pushing 60 different sensitive plant & animal species in the citation? Many of which are types highly adapted to marginal locations which will not thrive in a richer managed environment. This is a lot more than just a few birds.

Anyway, why does that "wealth" allow an absolute cunt like Trump to lie, bully & bulldoze his way through a whole raft of laws & established procedures in order to get his mitts on it? Especially when his proposed "investment" turns out to be largely thin air?

i think its a bit premature to suggest his investment has turned out to be thin air, especially since it hasn't been built yet!

is it because he is american there's been such a big stink about it? stuart milne has been doing stuff like this for years (all be it on a smaller scale) and no one has batted an eye lid.

I dont see what the fuss is over a 3 and and half miles, when the coast line looks almost identical from aberdeen to peterhead.

 

[pogofish]

i think its a bit premature to suggest his investment has turned out to be thin air, especially since it hasn't been built yet!

is it because he is american

I dont see what the fuss is over a 3 and and half miles, when the coast line looks almost identical from aberdeen to peterhead.

From further-up this page. Trump's own economic evidence to the enquiry.

http://news.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/Golf-resort-is-high-risk.4177035.jp

So, his claimed "billion dollar investment" turns out to be only £12 million, with undoubtedly a bit more from other partners, which is then to be used to lever further loans to fund its subsequent progress. Which demonstrates that the funding is non-existant & the entire spin on the scheme is a complete pack of lies.

No, see above. Stuart Milne would simply not have got a look-in with a plan like this & other local developers have hit the rocks on Menie as well.

Nobody has denied the possibility of development on much of the land at Menie. Even on the costal strip itself, within reason. It is the small part covered by the SSSI that is the sticking point - even though some of the costal strip is also deemed to be of "SSSI quality" If Trump had respected that, & maybe kept the size of the housing down/staged its construction, he would have had a much easier ride.

 

[geminisnake]

Why are you wasting your time mr fish??

 

[pogofish]

Why are you wasting your time mr fish??

I don't think restating the many holes in the scheme is waisting time?

 

[geminisnake]

Fairy nuff. Maybe coz I is a mum I detest having to repeat myself ad infinitum

 

[equationgirl]

Well, seeing as the developers in Aberdeen seem to be in a panic to sell the house and flat they're already halfway through developing, what's the betting none of these houses are going to get built anyway?

And backdrift, have you been up the coast between Aberdeen and Peterhead? It's different all the way up.

 

[pogofish]

what's the betting none of these houses are going to get built anyway?

And backdrift, have you been up the coast between Aberdeen and Peterburgh? It's different all the way up.

I'm more concerned that once they have ruined the most sensitive part of the site & built the houses - which are on a much shorter timescale than the golf/leisure scheme, they will "revise" the proposal & leave us with a totally usless mess.

After all, look at Neil Hobday's (Trump's general manager for Menie) previous farce up at Spey Bay, which has bankrupted & all-but destroyed a fine community owned & managed course & the awful corporate St Andrews Bay development (Again, familiar names - WATG), where the only way they can continue to make money is by developing more & more of the "Golf" area as housing. In fact, this is possibly the only such scheme in Scotland which can be reasonably compared to Menie, although it lacked most of the environmental sensitivity to begin with.

Oh, its Peterhead! But yes, this is a splendid stretch of coast.

Trump's proposed hotel will be clearly visible in the middle of this view.

 

[equationgirl]

Right where the rainbow is!

I am a muppet. I can't believe I wrote Peterburgh. Tsk.

 

[Backdrifts]

Well, seeing as the developers in Aberdeen seem to be in a panic to sell the house and flat they're already halfway through developing, what's the betting none of these houses are going to get built anyway?

And backdrift, have you been up the coast between Aberdeen and Peterhead? It's different all the way up.

i get a birds eye view of it at least every three weeks.

 

[Backdrifts]

Fairy nuff. Maybe coz I is a mum I detest having to repeat myself ad infinitum

Pull your nose out of the air love.

 

[equationgirl]

Hey! Don't be mean! We're nice to each other up here.

 

[pogofish]

Good article from The Herald:

http://www.theherald.co.uk/features...dfawners_need_a_reality_check_on_Trumpton.php

Sums-up a lot of the concerns about the whole way this scheme has been recieved.

 

[pogofish]

Right!

Moment of absolute fucking lividity here!

THE AMERICAN tycoon Donald Trump is to receive free land worth an estimated £5 million from Aberdeenshire Council in a move that has been damned as a taxpayer funded sweetener.

<snip>

The developers are required to provide the land and arrange for the building of the cheap housing. However, an official council document passed to the Sunday Herald shows that the local authority is going to gift the land build the cheap housing tto Trump so he can build 98 cheap homes.

Additionally, the council is to allow Trump to build an extra 52 "open market" homes - houses available on the mortgage market to buyers - on the free land.

<snip>

The value of the free land to be given to Trump comes in at about £5m.

<snip>

Johnston said that Trump would be able to lower the costs of building his luxury golfing resort by bundling the development together with the affordable housing he is required to build. The Councillor also pointed out that the likely location of the cheap housing would overlook a rubbish tip.

"The consequence of this is that Mr Trump's luxury homes will be beside a hotel and a golf course, and the homes for poorer members of the community will have an open vista onto a pile of industrial waste."

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2369655.0.0.php

One of the longest standing & most consistant claims from Trump & his fellow cunts is that this development will be entirely self financing & might proceed at no cost to the public purse whatsoever Indeed, most of the economic claims for the scheme depend on this for any kind of credibility.

Now, in conjunction with the laughabale economic case presented to the enquiry the other week, this makes an utter laughing stock of the whole thing & with Aberdeenshire in full complicity. Enhanced consultants? Pah!

Still, this looks like it has yet to be formalised into a section 75, so lets hope that they may withdraw the offer to try & salvage some credibility. However, knowing Aberdeenshire, I won't be holding my breath!

 

[stewardesQUEEN2]

Donald Trump Sucks

 

[pogofish]

Whoopee!

In their quest to demonstrate some sort of environmental credibility, TGLS have now claimed they are considering the use of hydrogen powered golf carts.

http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/730718

Mind you, at least Sorial has confirmed one thing they have been evasive about. That in normal circumstances this will not be a buggy course for players.

 

[equationgirl]

I'm not sure I can contain my mirth.

 

[pogofish]

Surely they would be better bottling Trump's hot air? Plenty of spare energy there?

 

[nino_savatte]

PMSL!!! "Hydrogen powered golf carts"...

 

[E.J.]

Donald Trump is as ridiculous as his combover hairstyle and his machivellian attempts to get planning permission to build that monstrosity of a golf course!!!

 

[pogofish]

PMSL!!! "Hydrogen powered golf carts"...

Yup:

Rocketdyne J2 anyone?

 

[pogofish]

Roll-up, roll-up! Free Smart car with every Trump house:

DONALD Trump is hoping to win over environmental opponents to his plan for a £1 billion golf resort by giving a free electric car to everyone who buys one of his homes.
The billionaire is understood to be working on a deal with a major distributor in an attempt to secure a fleet of electric-powered Smart Cars to give away with each of his 500 planned properties near Balmedie, Aberdeenshire.

http://news.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/Trump-in-Smart-Car-drive.4287183.jp

Can't wait to see how they will fair in the traffic mayhem that is the Ellon Road in the morning.

So, the properties have gone from Desperate Housewives to desperate tokenism in one swift movement.

 

[pogofish]

While we are at it, Trump's corporate performance continues to plummet:

http://uk.moneycentral.msn.com/inve...5=7&C7=7&ComparisonsForm=1&C9=0&DisplayForm=1

 

[pogofish]

Looks like they are sharpening the knives for the councillor who leaked the details of the "sweetner" to Trump:

A councillor who claimed that Aberdeenshire Council offered Donald Trump a £5million “sweetener” could face disqualification.

A secret council report seen by the Press and Journal reveals that is one of a range of possible sanctions facing Paul Johnston after he claimed the council was handing over land worth £5million to the Trump Organisation.

Mid-Formartine councillor Mr Johnston said the “sweetener” was being made so Mr Trump could fulfil his commitment to build 98 affordable homes as part of the Balmedie golf resort.

He would also be allowed to build 52 homes on the land for sale on the open market.

Mr Johnston said the US tycoon was “effectively being subsidised” by the council and therefore the taxpayer.

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/761072

Of course the person who gave them sight of the "secret report" about him is obviously somebody to be praised?

 

[pogofish]

Now the CBI & other business "leaders" have weighed-in behind Trump.

Business leaders joined together today as they urged the Scottish Government to give the go-ahead to US billionaire Donald Trump's plans for a golf resort.
They claimed the £1 billion development was a "once in a lifetime opportunity" for Scotland.

And they urged ministers to make a swift decision on the plans.

The business leaders argued that with the economy struggling in the wake of the credit crunch, the Trump development could create much needed jobs and also boost both the construction and tourism industries.

The Scottish Chambers of Commerce (SCC), Confederation of British Industry (CBI), Scottish Council for Development and Industry (SCDI), the Federation of Small Businesses (FSB) and the Institute of Directors (IoD) have all united to back the American tycoon's proposals.

http://news.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/Business-leaders-unite-behind-Trump.4375524.jp

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...olf-resort-go-ahead-say-business-leaders.html

Where were these guys at the enquiry then & why do they seem to want one rule for them & something very different for the rest of us?

 

[pogofish]

Intresting turn of events here:

A NEW war of words erupted yesterday between Donald Trump's business empire and the three councillors leading the local opposition to the tycoon's £1 billion golf resort development in Aberdeenshire.

The row broke out after the councillors claimed the entrepreneur's plan to build 500 luxury homes to help finance the project at the Menie estate should be thrown out because of newly revised Scottish Government planning policies.

http://news.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/Trump-plan-against-latest-policy.4383596.jp

Although I don't know how far they will get with this one as the Exec have already announced the 97 Planning Act will govern their decision.

 

[stroober]

Ford’s fresh swipe at Trump plans controversial councillor now claims it’s at odds wi

Ford’s fresh swipe at Trump plans
controversial councillor now claims it’s at odds with new policy on affordable homes

the aberdeen council is truly full of muppets

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/785498/?UserKey=0

 

[pogofish]

Yes Aberdeen are a load of muppets but Aberdeenshire are the council for this. Pretty much the same applies tho as from the outset, the proposals have barged through all of their existing policies & plans for the area.