Doctor Who Series 8

[gosub]

That was his giant erection at the sight of a young woman in a sexy black dress suddenly appearing in his room!

Seriously, it's a kid's home; just walk right in and start talking to a young kid you'venever seen before.

Seemed to work for Jimmy Saville

 

[Dr_Herbz]

Just re-watched the first episode of the series. At one point the Doctor checks underneath the bed he's been left in, then finds a stick of chalk like he used in Saturday's episode.

That was rather cunning of Moffat... to watch an early episode and draw references from it. He's a clever boy

 

[fucthest8]

Anyone else finding that at least once per episode, Peter Capaldi pulls a face that is genuinely fucking scary? In a proper, drunk Glaswegian getting in your face, hissing, "Ahm gonnae fuck ye up sonny" kind of scary?

 

[Dr_Herbz]

Anyone else finding that at least once per episode, Peter Capaldi pulls a face that is genuinely fucking scary? In a proper, drunk Glaswegian getting in your face, hissing, "Ahm gonnae fuck ye up sonny" kind of scary?

I reckon he's the Antichist... spawn of Satan.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

Anyone else finding that at least once per episode, Peter Capaldi pulls a face that is genuinely fucking scary? In a proper, drunk Glaswegian getting in your face, hissing, "Ahm gonnae fuck ye up sonny" kind of scary?

Like this?

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

He's a lot scarier than the bulging blanket....

 

[ginger_syn]

Its the same writer - moffort wrote blink and silence in the library.

sorry should have made clear I was talking about all four episodes not just listen, and again I would like to clarify its a vague idea possibility influenced by the high temperature and heavy duty painkillers

 

[SpookyFrank]

It was moffat lazily reworking the same schtick from 'blink' and 'silence in the library' and then throwing in some sentimental introspective guff about the doctor's past - again. Fuck that - just give us a quality baddie who the doctor defeats in a clever way via a rattling good yarn.

On the contrary I think not trying to wrap everything up neatly is new territory for Moffat and it worked very well.

 

[SpookyFrank]

thats why it'd didn't make any sense. There was a brief over the shoulder glimpse that looked potato headed, later when the doc woke up he said 'sontarans intefering with the time stream'

but it doesn't tie together

"Sontarans perverting the course of human history" was the first thing Tom Baker's doctor ever said, whilst in a simillar state of delirium.

 

[Lord Camomile]

"Sontarans perverting the course of human history" was the first thing Tom Baker's doctor ever said, whilst in a simillar state of delirium.

There's no new material any more

 

[Mab]

no, I generally stay spoiler free and I'm looking forward to the new series and Peter Capaldi, who is already one of my favourite doctors because he signed my tardis postcard

One of my fav's too. I remember the first time that I saw Peter Capapdi on tv--Prime Suspect where he played the role of a transsexual named Vera and he was amazing. ( I remember Ralph Finnes on it also; apparently his first tv role).

 

[strung out]

Questions.

1. So that was Gallifrey then? Clara just manages to find Galifrey on the Tardis telepathic satnav and, despite all the shennanigans about it being timelocked, she gets there.
2. Why did she say 'River?', did she think the kid in the bed was River Song? Why?
3. Timey wimey.
4. See above.

It's just all show and no go without Moffat, but I don't think I have the energy anymore to feel disappointed.

Fuck you're stupid.

 

[CNT36]

I think the fact nobody said "timey wimey" was the best bit of the episode.

 

[magneze]

What does "timey wimey" mean?

 

[Chz]

It was RTD's way of saying "I'm not going to bother explaining this shit".

 

[CNT36]

It was RTD's way of saying "I'm not going to bother explaining this shit".

Twas Blink written by Moffat where it was first used I think. It kind of made sense. Then it became a fucking catchphrase.

 

[Vintage Paw]

"Sontarans perverting the course of human history" was the first thing Tom Baker's doctor ever said, whilst in a simillar state of delirium.

Yeah, I just kind of assumed it's the sort of thing you say when you're coming out of a deep sleep - like sitting bolt upright in bed shouting "BUT THERE WAS JAM ON MY BIKE!!!" Stuff that makes no sense, and isn't necessarily pertinent to anything at all.

 

[Epona]

But nothing is resolved, it just becomes yet another vehicle for this impossible girl stuff. Do we need to have anymore of this?

Why was the doctor going mental about invisble monsters in the first place - aboard a Tardis that, when it works, can change into anything to suit its surroundings, and after encountering beings that can make you forget they are there when you aren't looking at them. It's the same tired Moffat tropes.

Why is he now being written to be, not dark, but just obnoxious; he constantly belittles Clara. It's like an abusive relationship. hey, I break into kids homes now - kids homes that are deliberately protrayed to be scary and foreboding - and in the middle the night on a windswpt moor.

Why was there no explanation of that entity on the bed? Do we get an explanation in the end? Will I give a shit?

Speaking of Clara, why is she such a cow? She bullies Danny, another MOffat Milquetoast male character, into a date and then proceeds to take the piss out of his being a soldier. We've already been treated to see him cry in front of the class, obviously his past bothers him, yet when he objects to her attitude she gets stroppy and storms out - twice! Why are all the new female companions (I would exempt Martha from this) such mardy mares?

Is Danny going to be Rory mark 2? Henpecked male who turns out to be a hero?

What was all that shit in the time travel machine? What was outside? Why should we care when Moffat doesn't?

How does the Tardis get to Gallifrey?

All so we can have a little scene with Clara under the bed grabbing the doctor's ankles which, 2000 yeras later, prompts him to go mental and start worrying about creatures that have qualities he has already encountered in creatures before?

Although I find some agreement with a couple of sentences in there (although more from the point of if Clara and the guy in the episode did not get along, why did either of them persist with the date? It was like it was channeling some really bad trash romance novel for a while there), I disagree with your main argument - which sort of becomes clear as you read through "...impossible girl stuff, do we need any more of this?"; "...why is she such a cow"; "Henpecked male".

Would you prefer to return to a time when the Doctor's female companions either screamed a lot and needed constant rescuing or wore leather bikinis for your viewing pleasure, and in either case were just there as a medium for explaining the plot to the audience? Because I wouldn't. I really like Clara.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Clara in a leather bikini....you put it in my mind!

 

[Epona]

Clara in a leather bikini....you put it in my mind!

This pretty much sums up my problem with life.

 

[Awesome Wells]

She is a cow because of how she treated Danny. She harangued him for a date and then, during that date cracked an obviously insensitive joke about his past as a soldier and then, when he reacts - and not disproportionately - she accuses him of bad behaviour and storms out. She's awful. An utterly unlikeable stuck up little mare.

As it happens I'm watching the Leela episodes right now. I am up to Fang Rock. The only time she has been dressed skimpily is in the Face of Evil, where she is introduced. Her outfit is less skimpy than the men of the tribe she comes from and is not a bikini. I don't think much of Leela as a companion, the acting is crap and the actress too self conscious, but she is certainly not, thus far, a 'screamer'.

If you have interpreted that I want the writers to resort to some misogynistic straw man you've constructed from my comment then you wer way off. I simply want a companion that is not a horrible person and a ridiculous cosmic plot device.

 

[Epona]

cow... mare.... yep, not seeing the use of any sexist language there, carry on as you are.

 

[belboid]

She is a cow because of how she treated Danny. She harangued him for a date and then, during that date cracked an obviously insensitive joke about his past as a soldier and then, when he reacts - and not disproportionately - she accuses him of bad behaviour and storms out. She's awful. An utterly unlikeable stuck up little mare.

two nervous people on a date both 'mis-speaking' and accidentally finding ways to wind each other up, I suppose that has never happened to you. And a woman daring to have an opinion! How very shocking.

Clara's a great character, much better in this series than the last one.

 

[Awesome Wells]

cow... mare.... yep, not seeing the use of any sexist language there, carry on as you are.

Tell you what, send me your list of approved words and I'll edit my post.

 

[Epona]

Tell you what, send me your list of approved words and I'll edit my post.

All I see is someone who I feel quite sorry for, on account of their social ineptitude. Anyone in this day and age who needs me to send them a list of words that are deemed as derogatory to women obviously either spends way too much alone or is deliberately trying to troll.

 

[Awesome Wells]

All I see is someone who I feel quite sorry for, on account of their social ineptitude. Anyone in this day and age who needs me to send them a list of words that are deemed as derogatory to women obviously either spends way too much alone or is deliberately trying to troll.

How bloody patronising.

 

[Chz]

As it happens I'm watching the Leela episodes right now. I am up to Fang Rock. The only time she has been dressed skimpily is in the Face of Evil, where she is introduced. Her outfit is less skimpy than the men of the tribe she comes from and is not a bikini. I don't think much of Leela as a companion, the acting is crap and the actress too self conscious, but she is certainly not, thus far, a 'screamer'.

She actually gets better from Fang Rock onwards. The actress had enough of Tom Baker's shit by then and started to stand up to him.

 

[Awesome Wells]

She actually gets better from Fang Rock onwards. The actress had enough of Tom Baker's shit by then and started to stand up to him.

I think the main problem (thus far) is that she requires an actress whose comfortable playing the warrior woman and I don't think Louise Jameson was. She doesn't seem comfortable or sound confident, but if that's due to being overshadowed by the Baker then we will see.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I'm very much NOT a fan of the companion since Amy having to be the plot, the whole plot, and nothing but the plot - as I've stated in this thread and previous ones numerous times.

I disliked 80% of Amy's storylines, and I disliked all of Clara's stuff in the last series. This series though, we've seen a marked improvement in her as a character. While I could have done without her being inserted into the Who timeline and mythos right at the end of the last episode, it didn't bother me as much as previous examples, and overall I really enjoyed the episode.

Moffat evidently has a problem with the way he imagines women, and certainly does have a thing about men being dominated and made weak by strong, mouthy women (and has said in an interview that this is what he thinks all male/female relationships are). That being said, I didn't take the dinner scene with Clara and Danny to be particularly exemplative of that, and even if it was I'd be focusing my ire at Moffat's sexism rather than calling Clara a cow.

 

[SpookyFrank]

two nervous people on a date both 'mis-speaking' and accidentally finding ways to wind each other up, I suppose that has never happened to you. And a woman daring to have an opinion! How very shocking.

Clara's a great character, much better in this series than the last one.

I think the acting and the writing of her character have improved since last season. She's not just clever enough to make wise cracks, she's clever enough to figure out complicated stuff, sometimes stuff the Doctor can't even fathom. Amy basically just did wisecracks and getting into trouble.