Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
What's so wrong with being happy and positive anyway?
Docility of the masses re. Olympics
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Quite, it's made a really pleasant change to the normal negativity...I've really enjoyed the whole thing.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
I'm feeling positive about the Jamaicans on this estate throwing a few brilliant parties at which people from all backgrounds celebrated the fact that we can all enjoy watching a cool geezer running bloody fast. I feel positive because London put on a show and the feedback I'm getting from friends and relatives from abroad who first visited London to see these Olympics ALL say they want to come back... and spend their money here.
Surely you can be happy and positive without putting missiles on top of people's houses, thousands of soldiers and secret police on the streets, building an East German style wall with armed guards and checkpoints etc
I'm happy and positive about things in my normal life, I don't need militaristic fascism with the excuse being to protect people who are really good at running and throwing things to make me happy and positive, but then that's just me
butchersapron
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Also quite possible to hate all the bad things without thinking the masses are servile dupes - to see all the positive energy, commitment and collective feeling as a good thing - as the guarantee of the way to get past the bad things. But no, everyone else is a dupe, everyone else is shit.
You got invited to a party and some tourists enjoyed London, that happens anyway all the time!
butchersapron
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Yeah, you sound the cheery type. These thousands of secret police on the streets - where were they deployed?
No one knows. That's how secret they are.
butchersapron
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I heard they were like something out of 1984.
mr steev
magic thought wizard
British people or Londoners/those visiting London?
Now I admit that I missed virtually all of the tv footage, but apart from talk from politicians and on the tv of 'inspiration' and 'this unique feeling', round here I felt it was no different during or after. There's been no bunting, no big parties, no crowded pubs and I've seen about 3 cars with flags on and a couple of houses with Jamaican Flags in the window.
Maybe I've been so removed from it I don't notice, maybe it's just London, or maybe it's all just hype?
Not everyone, just the people who say that they are anti fascist and then when a quasi-fascist event actually works in their favour in some way people are all 'come on, join in!'
As well as positive energy, commitment and collective feeling, the Olympics also cost an obscene amount of money, specially when you factor in the years of training that the top countries pay for for propaganda purposes.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Quasi-Fascist? Stick to jazzy jeff or whatever it is you make a thread every few days about.
A s nuanced sort of critical view of the overall thing would identify the bad bits then the bits that tend towards overcoming those bad bits - that is, the collective participation on many levels of many people, the identification through others of a common unity and stuffing the aussies.
fredfelt
Mostly unknown member
I was about to add to extra dry's point, but you seem more interested in grammar than opinions.
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hiraethified
Teucher sounds alarmingly like a conspiraloon with his arrogantly daft notion that he's one of the enlightened few who can see the games for what they really are while the rest of us stupid, docile 'sheeple' have been suckered in.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Hey ninj, look at the OP. Behold your future. That's the only place this sort of lazy misanthropy will lead you.
It's not like the Olympics are new. Peple can enjoy the cammaradery and fun of an event, with out agreeing to every part of it's execution. The peple had no choice over those aspects but took the best from it.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Weird isn't it. Like people are able to understand things can have good and bad sides at the same time. I'd have thought they'd all be far too stupid for that tbh.
And not even making a decent job of it.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
But camaraderie and collective participation etc aren't exclusive to a militarised corporate arena. It's not misanthropic to be against the Olympics
I also enjoyed watching some of the sports, but if I had the choice I wouldn't keep the Olympics going because it's like Nike or Disney or something. Nike also stands for sport and 'Just Do It!' follow your dreams and push yourself to the limit etc
It's a good message but.....
I also enjoyed watching some of the sports, but if I had the choice I wouldn't keep the Olympics going because it's like Nike or Disney or something. Nike also stands for sport and 'Just Do It!' follow your dreams and push yourself to the limit etc
It's a good message but.....
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No one said that they were. They identified them as the way to get past the bad stuff. An argument that is based on that stuff not being exclusive to the Olympics - as a livable reality for how society is organised full stop.
And it is misanthropic to believe that everyone else is thick/shit/dupes but that you're floating above it all - when in fact talking about the Olympics as 'militaristic fascism' is just embarrassing teenage anti-parent foot-stamping. For gods sake look at the thing entire - look at all aspects of it.
I don't think everyone is thick. I do think that considering before the Olympics started there was so much fuss about the amount of bullshit that Londoners were being told to put up with because of the Olympics and then when they went off well suddenly thinking that it's great is thick
So you didn't realise that the sports would be enjoyable to watch?
Would it have been different if England didn't get so many medals?
The idea for the Olympics as an idea for a liveable reality is a bit daft, it's completely unreal. Noone was saying this before the Olympics and noone will be saying this probably by September
The reason I think that the London Olympics are quasi fascist is because of the incredible military presence (most soldiers in the city since World War 2) the ridiculous amount of CCTV and the deployment of this state military power for corporate ends
So you didn't realise that the sports would be enjoyable to watch?
Would it have been different if England didn't get so many medals?
The idea for the Olympics as an idea for a liveable reality is a bit daft, it's completely unreal. Noone was saying this before the Olympics and noone will be saying this probably by September
The reason I think that the London Olympics are quasi fascist is because of the incredible military presence (most soldiers in the city since World War 2) the ridiculous amount of CCTV and the deployment of this state military power for corporate ends
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think you do think that everyone else is thick and shit - and i think the arguments that you've put forward on this thread support this. Your very first post started from a position of superiority at everyone elses sheer hypocrisy and dupe-ability - and got worse from then on.
Who on earth said that they didn't think the sports would be enjoyable to watch? What a bizarre thing to say. And then you even undermine that oddness with your next line.
FFS, no one is offering the olympics as the model for a future society - where did you get that from? What i said was that the positive aspects of the games - the co-operative participation and unity-in-diversity approach working here demonstrates in pretty clear terms that this is something that works and can be used in other areas of society to undermine the ongoing commercialisation of life - and with it, the olympics as well.
That's a pathetic definition/usage of fascism. If you are going to seriously argue that point you need to get a better idea of what fascism is sharpish.
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hiraethified
You'll all be moaning about it in a month or two again
It's not that people are thick, just that people do stupid things. And I never said everyone else, I was just saying that I thought that people who said that were saying something dense, whether or not they are half shillings the rest of the time I have no idea, I meet a lot of intelligent people but even the most intelligent ones are capable of having incredibly dumb ideas/views
It's not that people are thick, just that people do stupid things. And I never said everyone else, I was just saying that I thought that people who said that were saying something dense, whether or not they are half shillings the rest of the time I have no idea, I meet a lot of intelligent people but even the most intelligent ones are capable of having incredibly dumb ideas/views
England didn't get any medals, you prize ignoramus.
Sorry, England and that scottish bloke who is good at riding bikes
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Jade Jones? Yeah, he was fast.
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hiraethified
Don't be an even bigger dickus than you already are.
