Do you think there's anything wrong with putting your penis in a dead pig's mouth?

[andysays]

You still haven't understood what I'm saying. The 'neutral' position here is 'no'. If you have no opinion either way about the act and whether or not other people should do it (note to those bullying types who called me a pigfucker on the other thread, I refer to other people here), you say no. So my question was 'why the need to judge others here'?

At its worst, and I'm not accusing you of this, it is a desire to show yourself clearly and vocally to be part of the non-pig-fucking majority. School playground stuff, and there are echoes of that on the other thread - refusal to condemn bringing suspicion: like the boy who says he doesn't think there is anything wrong with being gay and is called a 'faggot' for it by other boys in the playground. Real-life example - that boy was me.

You're fucking loving this, aren't you? A martyr for liberal tolerance...

The difference is that there is nothing wrong with being gay, but most people still thinks there is something (not necessarily a huge thing, but something nonetheless) wrong with fucking a dead pig's head.

 

[8ball]

I don't mind "I could care less" - it implies that the amount you care is exactly one Planck caring unit ie. you care extremely little, perhaps as little as you can possibly perceive, or have experienced in your lifetime. However, there could in all probably be something that you could conceivably care less about.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You're fucking loving this, aren't you? A martyr for liberal tolerance...

The difference is that there is nothing wrong with being gay, but most people still thinks there is something (not necessarily a huge thing, but something nonetheless) wrong with fucking a dead pig's head.

Nope. I don't love it at all. That's why I made that post. (ETA: and I made the post here as I don't want to clog up the other thread with this boring shit.)

I note that you're back to the 'most people' defence. Most people think something therefore it's ok to abuse those who don't? What exactly was the point behind your post here?

 

[Pickman's model]

You still haven't understood what I'm saying. The 'neutral' position here is 'no'. If you have no opinion either way about the act and whether or not other people should do it (note to those bullying types who called me a pigfucker on the other thread, I refer to other people here), you say no. So my question was 'why the need to judge others here'?

ooc who called you a pigfucker? perhaps being overly optimistick hoping for a response...

e2a: not seeing any evidence of lbj being called a pigfucker...

At its worst, and I'm not accusing you of this, it is a desire to show yourself clearly and vocally to be part of the non-pig-fucking majority. School playground stuff, and there are echoes of that on the other thread - refusal to condemn bringing suspicion: like the boy who says he doesn't think there is anything wrong with being gay and is called a 'faggot' for it by other boys in the playground. Real-life example - that boy was me.

you're not demonstrating a majority here...

 

[andysays]

Nope. I don't love it at all. That's why I made that post.

I note that you're back to the 'most people' defence. Most people think something therefore it's ok to abuse those who don't? What exactly was the point behind your post here?

No one is being abused that I can see, on this thread or the other one. For you to claim a parallel between what's happening here and anyone's experience of anti-gay bullying at school is nonsense, but you seem to be deliberately seeking to turn it into a genuinely antagonistic process rather than a reasonable discussion with a bit of leg pulling thrown in.

Just because people don't agree with you, and are pointing out the rather large holes in your "argument", you're making it all about you and playing the liberal martyr.

Give it up, the role really doesn't suit.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I was called a pigfucker.

That sparked a rather unpleasant memory because of its parallels with that memory, so I pointed out as much here.

That is all, andysays. Go and re-read the other thread if you don't believe me.

 

[Pickman's model]

No one is being abused that I can see, on this thread or the other one. For you to claim a parallel between what's happening here and anyone's experience of anti-gay bullying at school is nonsense, but you seem to be deliberately seeking to turn it into a genuinely antagonistic process rather than a reasonable discussion with a bit of leg pulling thrown in.

Just because people don't agree with you, and are pointing out the rather large holes in your "argument", you're making it all about you and playing the liberal martyr.

Give it up, the role really doesn't suit.

i beg to differ: it is the role littlebabyjesus was born to play here and plays with such nauseating frequency.

 

[danny la rouge]

Can we not discuss pig fucking without calling each other pig fuckers and/or judgemental?

 

[Pickman's model]

Can we not discuss pig fucking without calling each other pig fuckers and/or judgemental?

i think i've managed not to call anyone not a prime minister a pig fucker. but this is urban: judgemental is what we do.

 

[danny la rouge]

As for being judgemental, I think that one is often called upon to judge. Even saying one does not find anything wrong is itself a judgement.

An example that I often give is the discussion Zinn has of the behaviour of Columbus in his 500th anniversary lecture. He says that refusing to judge because it was a different time is a cop out. Of course we can judge.

 

[danny la rouge]

i think i've managed not to call anyone not a prime minister a pig fucker. but this is urban: judgemental is what we do.

Your first sentence made me laugh.

 

[Pickman's model]

you're making it all about you and playing the liberal martyr.

Give it up, the role really doesn't suit.

further to my previous reply i think anyone named littlebabyjesus is at some point going to get crucified.

 

[Spymaster]

I used to use pig fucker quite liberally as an insult prior to realising that it's also rather insulting to the target's partner, who may not have incurred my displeasure at all.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

As for being judgemental, I think that one is often called upon to judge. Even saying one does not find anything wrong is itself a judgement.

Different kind of thing, though, if you also don't find anything particularly right with it.

My parallel there would be with my atheism: I do not believe that there is a god; however, that does not mean that I believe that there is no god. My atheism is a statement of absence of belief; it is not itself a statement of belief. Similarly, I would say that it is possible to declare an absence of judgement.

 

[Pickman's model]

I used to use pig fucker quite liberally as an insult prior to realising that it's also rather insulting to the target's partner, who may not have incurred my displeasure at all.

i think you can safely call sir bernard hogan-howe's current squeeze a pig fucker without any fear of inaccuracy.

 

[Pickman's model]

Different kind of thing, though, if you also don't find anything particularly right with it.

My parallel there would be with my atheism: I do not believe that there is a god; however, that does not mean that I believe that there is no god. My atheism is a statement of absence of belief; it is not itself a statement of belief. Similarly, I would say that it is possible to declare an absence of judgement.

your judgement frequently absent imo. fwiw.

 

[danny la rouge]

Different kind of thing, though, if you also don't find anything particularly right with it.

My parallel there would be with my atheism: I do not believe that there is a god; however, that does not mean that I believe that there is no god. My atheism is a statement of absence of belief; it is not itself a statement of belief. Similarly, I would say that it is possible to declare an absence of judgement.

My atheism is somewhat different to yours. While I am aware that absence of proof is not proof of absence, I think that there does have to come a point when one admits that keeping an open mind is foolish. I don't keep an open mind as to whether there is a teapot orbiting the Sun between the orbits of Mercury and Venus. I assume there is not one unless and until evidence that calls me to question this is presented.

 

[Pickman's model]

My atheism is somewhat different to yours. While I am aware that absence of proof is not proof of absence, I think that there does have to come a point when one admits that keeping an open mind is foolish. I don't keep an open mind as to whether there is a teapot orbiting the Sun between the orbits of Mercury and Venus. I assume there is not one unless and until evidence that calls me to question this is presented.

 

[danny la rouge]

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Blates shopped.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

My atheism is somewhat different to yours. While I am aware that absence of proof is not proof of absence, I think that there does have to come a point when one admits that keeping an open mind is foolish. I don't keep an open mind as to whether there is a teapot orbiting the Sun between the orbits of Mercury and Venus. I assume there is not one unless and until evidence that calls me to question this is presented.

Oh, I don't keep an open mind as such, not in the sense that I'm not sure. I'm extremely firm in my absence of belief - I think belief is a mistake. I'm agnostic in the TH Huxley sense - a sense in which I have no doubt that my lack of belief is correct.

 

[Pickman's model]

Blates shopped.

yes. you have to shop about to get a teapot into space.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh, I don't keep an open mind as such, not in the sense that I'm not sure. I'm extremely firm in my absence of belief - I think belief is a mistake. I'm agnostic in the TH Huxley sense - a sense in which I have no doubt that my lack of belief is correct.

not an atheist then after all. for the record.

 

[fishfinger]

yes. you have to shop about to get a teapot into space.

Have you seen the prices? they're astronomical!

 

[danny la rouge]

yes. you have to shop about to get a teapot into space.

Try to get yourself a bargain son. Don't be sold on the very first one.

 

[two sheds]

Camerons dick is just the final insult over a long line of wrongs that most pigs experience

There's enough there for the whole Tory Cabinet

 

[Pickman's model]

There's enough there for the whole Tory Cabinet

enough meat hooks to hang them all on

 

[danny la rouge]

Oh, I don't keep an open mind as such, not in the sense that I'm not sure. I'm extremely firm in my absence of belief - I think belief is a mistake. I'm agnostic in the TH Huxley sense - a sense in which I have no doubt that my lack of belief is correct.

However, you have made a judgement in this case. You've made two. First that "there is nothing wrong" with the pig/dick thing, and secondly that people who disagree are being "judgemental", and you use that as a term of disapproval.

I'm not offended. I'm used to people disagreeing with me. But it's interesting that you're claiming your stance is neutral. It isn't.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

However, you have made a judgement in this case. You've made two. First that "there is nothing wrong" with the pig/dick thing, and secondly that people who disagree are being "judgemental", and you use that as a term of disapproval.

I've already said that I interpreted the question as asking if I thought there was something morally wrong, ie that it was something I thought other people shouldn't do. But given that I don't see any harm being done here necessarily (and I accept that others do see harm for various reasons, all of which I personally reject), my position is that it's really none of my business morally. Doesn't mean I approve or encourage it, nor that I wouldn't discourage it in a person I know if I thought it was doing them harm. Just means that it is a morally neutral question for me.

 

[Pickman's model]

in other news, a hunt steward pictured simulating sex with a dead goose. i suppose littlebabyjesus and Orang Utan would be quick to describe this as moral. Police hunt sick yob pretending to have sex with a dead GOOSE

 

[laptop]

a hunt steward ... yob ... Daily Mail ...

Some cognitive dissonance here. Surely "upstanding defender of The Rural Way of Life"?