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Do you think Communism should be despised as much as Nazism?

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I have a Conservative friend who thinks that Margaret Thatcher is the best thing since sliced bread and thinks that Communism is as evil as Nazism and represents the same totalitarianism, genocide, dictatorship, etc.

Trying to explain to him that Communism is not the same as Stalinism or Maoism, that Communism wants to abolish the state (it will eventually wither away), etc is like talking to a brick wall. Similarly, when I point out the good things that happened during the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc, he calls me an “apologist”, but the same person will defend Thatcher till pigs start flying despite all of what happened in Britain during the 1980s; he actually thinks that this country is in a much better place today because of her.

He also repeats the same old cliches such as Conservatism being more ‘natural’ because people are ‘naturally greedy and selfish’. When I asked him to prove that an innate human nature exists he stumbles and changed the subject.

He hasn’t even read any of the basic socialist or communist books so god knows where he gets his ideas from about left-wing ideas. Perhaps the Daily Mail.

He’s such an oddball when I compare him to some other friends who are Conservative voters. He’s the type of person who wants everyone to know his political beliefs and doesn’t like any form of criticism, even if it is constructive criticism. He even sometimes wears political t-shirts when he goes to pubs! Needless to say that things have got heated in the past.

What do you think?
 
Only authoritarian communism, not the libertarian variety.

My friend even thinks that the Nazis were socialists. :confused: No matter how many times I have tried explaining to him that they persecuted, killed socialists and banned trade unions. In fact, in 1933 shortly after coming to power the Nazis targeted political opponents straightaway.
 
My friend even thinks that the Nazis were socialists. :confused: No matter how many times I have tried explaining to him that they persecuted, killed socialists and banned trade unions. In fact, in 1933 shortly after coming to power the Nazis targeted political opponents straightaway.
Then your friend (if he does exist) is an idiot
 
most people find their holding one view on a subject quite sufficient

I was making the point that there is no reason why you can’t have friends who hold different views to your views.

I think when it comes to political discussions that there is a time and a place. My friend who is a Tory and quite vocal about it is someone I only see every now and then because I think if I were to see him frequently then it would all become a bit too much.
 
Then your friend (if he does exist) is an idiot

I’m not making him up. I’m new here, but I am not a troll.

Indeed. I have told him that it’s ridiculous to think just because the Nazis called themselves ‘National Socialists’ that they were genuinely socialists. I have told him to look the economics of Nazi Germany. People like the alt-right, racists, and others also repeat the lie that the Nazis were socialists.
 
The point of my thread is that I don’t understand why some people think that Communism should be despised as much as Nazism.

The ideas of Communism are the complete opposite of Nazism. Communism is neither Stalinism nor Maoism. But, Nazism was in simple terms Hitlerism and the basic ideas of it were carried out - Lebensraum (living space) in the East, the preaching of German racial superiority and other forms of racism, right from the beginning there was the objection of German Jews being German citizens and a desire to remove them from society which in the end escalated and resulted in the idea of a Final Solution which resulted in the extermination of Jews as a policy of the Nazi regime, etc.

By all means one can justify criticising Stalinism or Maoism but to equate Communism as being the same as either or both of those ideologies is plain wrong.
 
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