butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why is 6 the majority - think real hard here.
Did You Vote LibDem?
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Why is 6 the majority - think real hard here.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
What's that got to do with percentages?
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Son? Oh dear
This is principled thought through support for a tory govt i take it?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Finally and totally sold out. You might want to know why I'm so angry and why I de-friended you on Facebook. I'm worried about my job, it's under threat from your new mates, the tories. It's OK for you to not care about being unemployed, but some of us have families to support and mortgages to pay.
Ms T
Honey-coloured ramparts
A friend at work lives in Henley, Boris's old seat. At the by-election after he became Mayor the BNP got more votes than Labour.
She is very keen on PR.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I don't have an argument. I was simply pointing out that Garf was factually wrong. Your point is?
Louis MacNeice
It's nitpicking. That's my point.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
You said I increased the popular vote.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Garf claims the majority of the country backed the Tories. I point out that it isn't true. And I'm nitpicking. Seems a fairly big mistake in the context of claiming political legitimacy.
Louis MacNeice
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Which is measured in percentages.
The percentage that relates to a thing goes down if the total increases but the thing itself does not increase. You had the opportunity to do this but turned your back on it. Of the two options you had available to you -- vote for a joke candidate or not vote at all -- one of them reduced the Lib Dem and Tory % whilst the other did not.
Refusing to reduce a % is functionally equivalent to increasing a %.
I provided a perfectly good example with numbers earlier, if you want to go back and have a look. Remember -- 20 voters, 5 abstain, votes go 6/5/3/1. Work out what happens to the percentages if an abstainer chooses to vote instead.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Of those who voted. And actually, you're thinking of shares of the popular vote. The popular vote is measured n votes.
The meaning of his post is clear when taken as a whole.
You isolated a single error in an attempt to undermine his argument.
That is weak and pedantic.
IMO you can only claim legitimacy for your view if you also demand a "none of the above" option on ballot papers
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
As ever, kabbes' numbers are right, danny. The only reason I voted in the local elections last year was to increase the likelihood that the BNP would lose their deposit. It's a valid reason to go and vote.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No, it's standard practice -esp when it's point that what little else there was rested upon. You might have emotional need to support the general line that garf was attempting to put forward but you'd really do far better pointing out these weaknesses than dismissing them so casually.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I'm not denying their rectitude, I'm denying that I endorsed the Liberal Democrats or anyone else.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They're not elected on %s. Wasted your time.
You got done then there are no deposits for local elections
Standard practice it may be but it's still weak and pedantic.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
I'm claiming no such ting I'm pointing out this is a descsion which went against the left (or nominally left) and that was ratified by more tories gettign seats than labour...
you can call it what you want but labour lost...
that was the will of the people...
otherwise they'd have won...
all the rest is sour grapes and bitter recriminations sad lashign out at others for daring to exercise their democratic right to vote for whoever the fuck they want.
This tactical voting is a crock and nothing close to democratic and every time I hear one of the wailing pissants claiming I had to vote tactically I see another disenfranchised twats who's bought into the system...
but then I was raised to believe that you should vote for who was best able to represent you in parliament not some kind of dogmatic have to vote for these because they are not them loonacy which seems to have infested the modern voting mentality and in particular the mentality of urbans chattering politico classes...
Oh noez the balsamic glitterati peace hippies are getting their sandals in a twist... halp!!!
feckless yogurt weavers the lot of ya's....
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Who confers this legitimacy?IMO you can only claim legitimacy for your view if you also demand a "none of the above" option on ballot papers
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You're claiming exactly that thing.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why? Taking out the central strut of a case is not weak and pedantic. Why do you imagine it is?
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
That's a different point. Of course you didn't endorse the Liberal Democrats.
Just like Liberal Democrat voters didn't endorse the Tories.
fractionMan
Custom Title
fuck me it's weird to see all these people come out with "yeah, but you know, I hate the tories and all that but maybe it's not so bad our team ARE FUCKING TORIES NOW".
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
The single error being that the premise on which political legitimacy is being claimed is incorrect; that isn't pedantry. That is pointing out the blindingly obvious. BTW I'm no cheerleader for the Labour party.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
It's not a case of taking out the central strut.
That's ludicrous.
His argument is clear from his whole post and substituting largest part for majority does not make any great difference.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
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