Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
You don't care that your hero promotes racist forgeries?
David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012
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ska invita
back on the other side
Hang on a minute, has Icke been saying the moon is a hologram? I wasn't at that meeting.
TruXta
tired
What? What does that sentence even mean? Do you know what a hologram is? It's light. Do you know what the moon is made of? Minerals and metals. And in case you haven't got the news, we did "project ourselves" onto the moon many times in the shape of manned and unmanned machines. Fucking loony.
Said to be highly dubious...?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What i find particularly interesting about this is that Icke produced a 700 page book, embarked on a global lecture tour, produced DVDS and CD arguing in great detail that:
And faux pas isn't 'sure that is one of his stronger convictions' - not one of those sort of things you're not sure about really is it? Or don't really commit to if you don't believe it. (Unless of course you're just a rip-off merchant - but...)
loon said:
And faux pas isn't 'sure that is one of his stronger convictions' - not one of those sort of things you're not sure about really is it? Or don't really commit to if you don't believe it. (Unless of course you're just a rip-off merchant - but...)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Also, what is it that you find interesting about this sort of argument faux pas?
faux pas said:
TruXta
tired
Funny thing is if he was talking about European nobility he or she wouldn't be a million miles off. As it is we're on about reptiles....
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
...are we?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You still don't get it. We experience the hologram as reality - as minerals and metals and cheese and stuff. Some gifted types are able to see through the projection to get a glimpse of what 'really' lies behind it. Such people are often confused by what they see - they can easily misinterpret it at first, it can lead them to make predictions that are not quite right, but once properly understood, that only goes to show how true what they say must be.
TruXta
tired
Kinda, in a roundabout way.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That be £37.50 please.You still don't get it. We experience the hologram as reality - as minerals and metals and cheese and stuff. Some gifted types are able to see through the projection to get a glimpse of what 'really' lies behind it. Such people are often confused by what they see - they can easily misinterpret it at first, it can lead them to make predictions that are not quite right, but once properly understood, that only goes to show how true what they say must be.
TruXta
tired
You still don't get it. We experience the hologram as reality - as minerals and metals and cheese and stuff. Some gifted types are able to see through the projection to get a glimpse of what 'really' lies behind it. Such people are often confused by what they see - they can easily misinterpret it at first, it can lead them to make predictions that are not quite right, but once properly understood, that only goes to show how true what they say must be.
Mmmmm cheese. You do this too well lbj. Fess up, how long have you harboured these beliefs?
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
You still don't get it. We experience the hologram as reality - as minerals and metals and cheese and stuff. Some gifted types are able to see through the projection to get a glimpse of what 'really' lies behind it. Such people are often confused by what they see - they can easily misinterpret it at first, it can lead them to make predictions that are not quite right, but once properly understood, that only goes to show how true what they say must be.
And the chief gifted person was given this information during a "spiritual awakening" in 1990 or thereabouts. Who, or what gave him the information?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
That's straight out of a Philip K Dick novel.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The Protocols have been judged to be a forgery because it was wrongly believed that they had been written by Jewish elders. In that sense, those that exposed the forgery were half-right. They were indeed not written by Jewish elders and they were attributed to them in order to discredit and dissemble. A clever distraction by the real authors - presenting themselves to the world in a way that will cause them to be discredited, and so enable them to remain hidden (they were worried at the time that others were onto them): very clever to hide in plain view like that. Very clever indeed.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
funnily enough, dick was a bit an ickelike figure in later life
TruXta
tired
Speed will do that to a man. At least he didn't go on stadium tours, he had enough shame to present it as fiction (for the most part, not sure about VALIS).
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
1977? Fassbinder had already exposed the matrix in 1973 in World on a Wire
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
i have that on my hard-drive to watch very soon.
though dick spoke of similar concepts earlier than 73, as no doubt many other writers did.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Lol.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
i wasn't claiming that he was exactly the same. i just wanted to post that clip to be honest.
anyway, plato got there first:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
TruXta
tired
Icke's not a Platonist by any stretch of the imagination.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
who said he was?
TruXta
tired
You implied as much saying that Plato got there first. What Icke is proposing isn't idealism.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
i was referring to 'the matrix'
The point remains as to whether David Icke contradicts himself. This is not the same as claiming something is contradictory simply because it's claimed to be false. You say that what makes up the moon, its 'minerals and metals', are not really just a hologram as Icke would claim. Fine, but the question remains, does Icke's claim that we would experience the moon as a hollowed-out planetoid, if we could ourselves hypothetically project there (rather than going on information from NASA), contradict the claim that, how we would experience it wouldn't be how it actually is, that being a hologram? Where's the contradiction?
I gave you a short list of Icke points as apparently you needed me to in order for you to defend a claim another poster made and you seemed to be supporting. That's all.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Partly I think because it's very easy to point out things that are wrong with the world and with governments. Make a series of statements starting off where people agree with you and then shift off into the conspiracy stuff and it becomes almost a standard sales pitch that you take people with you.
I don't understand this stuff about holographic moon being confusing - it's a hollowgram
I'm still a page away from the end of the thread but you're not landing any real punches with this one so far butchers. The points you're trying to make aren't important enough and it just seems to be descending into irritable semantics.
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