butchersapron
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The claim that it's a hologram - a 'projection' (that it is a hologram not that we experience it as a hologram) and that space aliens live in secret bases there are most certainly contradictions.
David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I asked you what you found 'interesting' in the most recent of Icke's books you had read. Is this secret bloodlines/ruling class thing one of those aspects that you find interesting.
Thanks for your little list btw - interesting that the very first item highlighted one of the ways in which his theories contradict each other.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Maya, or the veil of illusion, in Hinduism.
My 'hero'? David Icke stresses what he calls 'Rothchild Zionism'. Never yet heard or read him say anything racist.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think the exposure of the underlying looniness just under the surface of the ickettes is impact enough - for me anyway.Partly I think because it's very easy to point out things that are wrong with the world and with governments. Make a series of statements starting off where people agree with you and then shift off into the conspiracy stuff and it becomes almost a standard sales pitch that you take people with you.
I don't understand this stuff about holographic moon being confusing - it's a hollowgram
I'm still a page away from the end of the thread but you're not landing any real punches with this one so far butchers. The points you're trying to make aren't important enough and it just seems to be descending into irritable semantics.
xes
F.O.A.D
even though some view me as some sort of conspiracy theorist, I agree with the above whole heartedly. If something is a hologram, and not a hologram as in we are are on some quantum level which only matterson the quantum level, then there is no moon to speak of, so there are no moon landings, no reflectors on the moon to bounce back lasers ect ect.....and obviously, there could be no secret German/Russian/Alien bases on a hologram. Is it a hollow craft of some kind? I guess that's possible, rather unlikely, but possible.
And that doesn't even touch on the gravitational effect that the moon has on us (added edit)
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
And Icke is certainly a bit of a Dick.
butchersapron
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I have, and xes gave you a good summary of how just above as well.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Yes, your hero, who you are valiantly attempting to defend. Your hero who promotes well known anti-semitic forgeries and far right tropes as real.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Yes agreed. Less important whether he contradicted himself but that they are unfortunately the ravings of a grade-A loon.
After many hours of discussions with conspiracy theorists is also that you can't actually prove them wrong. The moon *may* be a hologram we just don't know. And the quotes in proof are usually by Lieutenant Colonels in the US Army, or Senators and we all know what beacons of logical thought they are.
TruXta
tired
He's using the word hologram in a completely false manner. A hologram is light. Nothing more, nothing less. So, taking him at face value, the moon can't, going by the definitions of the words he's using, both be a hologram and a hollowed out planetoid.
TruXta
tired
So? The matrix isn't remotely similar to Plato's teachings about the Ideal.
TruXta
tired
The defence calls faux pas...
xes
F.O.A.D
well, some do. And maybe, just maaaaaybe, in some far off land far far away, they made holograms to be solid. And if that's true (like, I said IF) then maybe it is true. But I'm only playing devils advocate. This is not a belief which I hold. (juts to clarify)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I suspect, as faux pah has hinted at, that none of this is real - that's how some people will get round everything along those lines.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
periods are obviously real though, and so are the tides. i'm not saying you're wrong i'm just shocked at how someone can think this stuff.
if these people were walking along a beach and then saw a large wave coming towards them would they think "ah it's OK, this is just an illusion by the Moon Matrix" and carry on walking?
if these people were walking along a beach and then saw a large wave coming towards them would they think "ah it's OK, this is just an illusion by the Moon Matrix" and carry on walking?
xes
F.O.A.D
And in the light of the recent Russian stuff about life on Venus, the guy who has made these rather outlandish claims, also said that he thinks that our entire solar system is fake/manufactured. (which some would say discredits his recent claims) As all the other solar systems found so far, have the big gasseous planets closest to the sun, and ours is all back to front, this means that we are possbily a big fuck off experiment......which again, isn't the first time I've heard that as a theory, but it is a tad unlikely....(but just a tad 
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TruXta
tired
And in the light of the recent Russian stuff about life on Venus, the guy who has made these rather outlandish claims, also said that he thinks that our entire solar system is fake/manufactured. (which some would say discredits his recent claims) As all the other solar systems found so far, have the big gasseous planets closest to the sun, and ours is all back to front, this means that we are possbily a big fuck off experiment......which again, isn't the first time I've heard that as a theory, but it is a tad unlikely....(but just a tad
You do realise it's bloody hard to find planets outwith our own system at all, and as such the bigger the planet the easier it is to find. All big planets are gaseous, so no wonder they're finding lots of them and not so many solid ones.
xes
F.O.A.D
yes, I do realise this, which is why I put mr winky at the end of my post
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
the allegory of the cave is seen as one of the literary forerunners to the matrix - plato uses the analogy of someone who has lived in a cave and only perceived projected shadows on the cave wall as reality. to plato, a philosopher is someone who has broken out of the cave and is now seeing things as they really are.
xes
F.O.A.D
It's ok, I understand why
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The only conclusion can be that nothing is real - including our bodies. So 'we' - our 'souls', if you like - are not a product of our brains/bodies, but rather our brains/bodies are a product of something acorporeal that is the essence of 'us'. It's not far off what phildwyer proposes.
The problem (one of the many problems!) then becomes this: if 'we' are anything more than entirely passive in this process, then we must be able to affect the illusion of reality in some way, which means that we're producing it too, not just the illuminati.
TruXta
tired
Sure. In the same way that the Bible is one of the forerunners of L. Ron Hubbard's writings. I see where you're coming from, but the approximation is so crude as to be misleading IMO.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
why do you think it's misleading? who do you think i'm misleading? i was just forwarding the none-too-controversial idea that there are plenty of literary and philosophical notions about subjective realities - the idea that we may be living in a reality constructed by someone or something else.
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