David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012

[Orang Utan]

Fear not. Tell them about the potential of a new labour party which will wipe the floor with reptilians.

think the tories are doing a good enough job. pretty sure cameron and gove are reptiles

 

[editor]

The man actually jacked in an extremely lucrative TV Presenter job (this is a very highly paid position frogwoman) so he could spend years being jeered at in the street and lecture to tiny audiences where he would have to set the chairs up himself.

Except that's not what happened. He worked as a stand in host at the BBC, got bored with it, and it wasn't until a year later that he started hearing voices in his head that he started up his bonkers stuff/had some sort of mental breakdown and the weirdo turquoise stuff started up.

 

[Jazzz]

That's right, it's always the actions of the mass against the brave truth-speakers, isn't it?

Actually, plenty of "mainstream" commentators have done so on the basis of his own writings. Do you think that states and territories have banned him on the belief that he's anti-Semitic? Why would they do so unless they had documentary evidence? To do so on hearsay would leave them open to legal action.

What "states and territories" have 'banned' Icke exactly ViolentPanda?

Not the USA of course, he gave a lecture in Cleveland, Ohio in November 2011.

Are you making stuff up?

 

[TruXta]

I haven't heard him say "all rich people are evil" and doubt very much he would say anything like that.

This is just such trollop. The man actually jacked in an extremely lucrative TV Presenter job (this is a very highly paid position frogwoman) so he could spend years being jeered at in the street and lecture to tiny audiences where he would have to set the chairs up himself. Out of all the mindless accusations against the guy, "he's in it for the money" is the most absurd. Of course the racism one is utterly absurd too. No matter that Icke says we should completely ignore divisions of race, religion, or whatever as they are simply labels, as we are one consciousness. How can you be racist if you say that? It's the only way you truly cannot be.

You're conveniently forgetting about his stint with the Greens here. When that didn't go anywhere he went full loon-spud, full well knowing he had a public name and image to trade on. He may believe at least some of what he says and writes, but don't tell me he's not in it for the money as much as the fringe adulation. As for racism, he may or may not personally be racist, but he milks the racist and nazi connotations of his work for what it's worth - Protocols of the Elders, Holocaust revisionism, the list goes on.

 

[ska invita]

Can't see an end to some people being attracted to conspiracy theories tbh. They offer a sense of deep and exclusive understanding of the world to those with active imaginations but not much in the way of analytical intelligence.

I'm not out and out against conspiracy theories:

The fact is there are always things that go down that are kept secret, and that naturally generates speculation. Bohemian grove with the owl in it that the US presidents like to go to exists, and they do really go there, and there is some robe wearing, and they do sacrfifice "dull care" and it is secret - threre's video evidence - and the fact that they keep it secret leaves lots of room for speculation. JFK's death also leaves room for speculation. No doubt there are all kinds of deals done behind closed doors, well away from the public - what happens behind those doors leave lots of room for speculation. Speculation on unknowns is at the heart of it.

Conspiracy theory is having a go at uncovering these secrets - the problem is that its impossible to prove correct or not - hence 'theory'. It's good that people dig in to these unknowns, but its bad that people take on theories that come up as fact.

 

[Wilf]

This is just such trollop. The man actually jacked in an extremely lucrative TV Presenter job (this is a very highly paid position frogwoman) so he could spend years being jeered at in the street and lecture to tiny audiences where he would have to set the chairs up himself. Out of all the mindless accusations against the guy, "he's in it for the money" is the most absurd. Of course the racism one is utterly absurd too. No matter that Icke says we should completely ignore divisions of race, religion, or whatever as they are simply labels, as we are one consciousness. How can you be racist if you say that? It's the only way you truly cannot be.

Jazzz - I'm not normally one for joining in the 'how many posts will it be before jazzz gets pwned' stuff, but the claim underlined fell apart pretty quickly didn't it?

More to the point, I suspect Icke does believe his stuff, by and large, though he has a pretty good ability to absorb every zeitgeisty anxiety that he feels will in some way lock onto the core hidden manipulation stuff. Moreover, as others have said, the way he re-presents and edits it over the years shows he is playing it as a career rather than something he's simply compelled to do. Equally, the whole Icke show isn't aimed at doing anything about the elites, bloodlines etc. Don't think he has a great record of leading strikes, community actions or consumer boycotts?

 

[southside]

A picture paints 1000 words, however in this case two will surfice.

Mental case.

 

[Orang Utan]

#menwholooklikeelderlylesbians

 

[Wilf]

A picture paints 1000 words, however in this case two will surfice.

Mental case.

Looks like he's just parachuted down from the holographic moon.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's tough when sportsmen retire. Hard to know how to fill the void.

 

[Pickman's model]

A picture paints 1000 words, however in this case two will surfice.

Mental case.

2 words is 1 too many: loon

 

[MellySingsDoom]

(Useless/pointless post coming up - apols in advance)

Jazzz - take your weasely defence of Icke etc and FUCK OFF. Stop trying to defend the absolutely indefensible. If you can't even begin to see that Icke is a dangerous anti-Semite, then truly, there's no helping you at all, chief...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Do you think he's dangerous?

 

[TruXta]

(Useless/pointless post coming up - apols in advance)

Jazzz - take your weasely defence of Icke etc and FUCK OFF. Stop trying to defend the absolutely indefensible. If you can't even begin to see that Icke is a dangerous anti-Semite, then truly, there's no helping you at all, chief...

Is he dangerous tho? Compared to whom is he dangerous?

Edit - FY lbj

 

[Pickman's model]

What "states and territories" have 'banned' Icke exactly ViolentPanda?

Not the USA of course, he gave a lecture in Cleveland, Ohio in November 2011.

Are you making stuff up?

sounds to me like they're all being too kind to this loon

 

[MellySingsDoom]

littlebabyjesus/Truxta - yes, I actually do. Anyone who has the ability to reach out to an "audience"/whatever with his garbage - to the extent that his "thoughts" encourage people to attend demos etc in order to propagate these ideas (and I've heard first hand evidence of this too, both from the Occupy camps in London and on other demos) - I would consider to be ripe for attacking immediately for their ideas/ideaology. Icke does a good job of putting over a "loon" persona, which is a great cover for his very calculated and deliberate "ideas"....

 

[Wilf]

(Useless/pointless post coming up - apols in advance)

Jazzz - take your weasely defence of Icke etc and FUCK OFF. Stop trying to defend the absolutely indefensible. If you can't even begin to see that Icke is a dangerous anti-Semite, then truly, there's no helping you at all, chief...

That's the bottom line ain't it. Whatever case I wanted to make I wouldn't go near, allude to, take even half a sentence from fuckin' the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. If Icke isn't a racist pesonally, his willingness to play with stuff that is is just as bad if not actually worse. He's a cunt. And camp followers who aren't willing to put some distance between themselves and that (rather large) bit of Icke thinking...

 

[Meltingpot]

Except that's not what happened. He worked as a stand in host at the BBC, got bored with it, and it wasn't until a year later that he started hearing voices in his head that he started up his bonkers stuff/had some sort of mental breakdown and the weirdo turquoise stuff started up.

It wasn't that he got bored with the BBC; he was fired for making a political statement (telling people not to pay their poll tax).

 

[TruXta]

littlebabyjesus/Truxta - yes, I actually do. Anyone who has the ability to reach out to an "audience"/whatever with his garbage - to the extent that his "thoughts" encourage people to attend demos etc in order to propagate these ideas (and I've heard first hand evidence of this too, both from the Occupy camps in London and on other demos) - I would consider to be ripe for attacking immediately for their ideas/ideaology. Icke does a good job of putting over a "loon" persona, which is a great cover for his very calculated and deliberate "ideas"....

But as someone else pointed out before, he doesn't do shit. And AFAIK he doesn't encourage people to really do shit either, except "wake up and don't be a sheeple" or whatever jargon he uses.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

But as someone else pointed out before, he doesn't do shit. And AFAIK he doesn't encourage people to really do shit either, except "wake up and don't be a sheeple" or whatever jargon he uses.

Ok, so he may not do much himself w/regards to actual direct involvement in day to day politics, but from my own personal view, his ideas definitely DO encourage people to propagate this stuff off their own backs. And that, to me, is highly dangerous, regardless as to where said ideas may originally originate from.

 

[Pickman's model]

But as someone else pointed out before, he doesn't do shit. And AFAIK he doesn't encourage people to really do shit either, except "wake up and don't be a sheeple" or whatever jargon he uses.

so apart from telling people to act on what he says he doesn't do fuck all. alright. glad we got that settled.

 

[Meltingpot]

littlebabyjesus/Truxta - yes, I actually do. Anyone who has the ability to reach out to an "audience"/whatever with his garbage - to the extent that his "thoughts" encourage people to attend demos etc in order to propagate these ideas (and I've heard first hand evidence of this too, both from the Occupy camps in London and on other demos) - I would consider to be ripe for attacking immediately for their ideas/ideaology. Icke does a good job of putting over a "loon" persona, which is a great cover for his very calculated and deliberate "ideas"....

No, I think he actually does believe what he says about the lizards, the Moon etc.

 

[editor]

It wasn't that he got bored with the BBC; he was fired for making a political statement (telling people not to pay their poll tax).

He's already lost interest, not that I give a fuck.

He worked for BBC Sport until August 1990, often as a stand-in host on Grandstand and snooker programmes, and also at the 1988 Summer Olympics, but a career in television began to lose its appeal for him. He wrote in Tales from the Time Loop that he found television workers insincere, shallow, and vicious, with rare exceptions.[14] His contract with the BBC was terminated in 1990 when he refused to pay his poll tax, a controversial local tax introduced by Margaret Thatcher. He ended up paying it in November 1990, but his announcement that he was willing to go to jail rather than pay prompted the BBC, by charter an impartial public-service broadcaster, to distance itself from him
Wikipedia

 

[TruXta]

so apart from telling people to act on what he says he doesn't do fuck all. alright. glad we got that settled.

What exactly does he tell people to do? Go out and organize? Blow up stuff? Kill people? Or... buy his books and come to his "lectures"?

 

[Pickman's model]

What exactly does he tell people to do? Go out and organize? Blow up stuff? Kill people? Or... buy his books and come to his "lectures"?

what do you think he means by 'wake up and don't be sheeple'?

 

[MellySingsDoom]

No, I think he actually does believe what he says about the lizards, the Moon etc.

Completely disagree. The man's a dangerous charalatan and liar.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm not so sure. Yes his ideas are calculated but I personally don't doubt that he believes them. He is basically psychotic in the sense that he his putting together these stories as a result of what are to him genuine revelations. But I would guess that the majority of those who follow him are of the sort who already believe a lot of nonsense. That's not to say that following him might not be doing many people harm in that it is validating their own delusional ideas. In that sense yes he could be dangerous, but he's only potentially dangerous to those who follow him

 

[TruXta]

what do you think he means by 'wake up and don't be sheeple'?

You tell me? Far as I can tell, it's code for "buy my books, DVDs and come to my shows". Same as pretty much any other con-man.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

That's not to say that following him might not be doing many people harm in that it is validating their own delusional ideas. In that sense yes he could be dangerous, but he's only potentially dangerous to those who follow him

But that's the nub of the matter, isn't it? It's these people who propagate Icke's "ideas" (see Occupy camps etc) in a "reasonable" manner (i.e. not coming across like some stereotyped fash loon), and tbf, I'd take on both Icke and these so-called "reasonable" people at the same time....

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It wasn't that he got bored with the BBC; he was fired for making a political statement (telling people not to pay their poll tax).

So all this is in fact Thatcher's fault then? Figures.