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David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012

Meltingpot said:
No, I think he actually does believe what he says about the lizards, the Moon etc.
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does he fuck. my take on it is that he had a mental breakdown and when he came out of it he realised that he could make some money, so he did. i'm sure he believes some of it but frankly so what? since when does "truly believing" bullshit you've made up in your head mean you lose the capacity to know right and wrong? it doesn't make him any less of a dangerous idiot. and i'm sorry but he makes millions from those books, dvds, and other bollocks. he is a very rich man. fair play (sort of) if he earned it fairly, but he hasn't, he has earned it through selling a pack of lies to what are frequently people with very serious mental health problems.
 
oh and as for being hated and despised etc, some people like that sort of notoriety, they like having all the attention it brings them. more people have probably heard of him now than did when he was a little-known tv host.
 
My mate swears he was in proximity to Icke at a Glastonbury where he had the acid that trigured a broader episode.

I've heard similar pub talk about David Shayler.

Of course, "they" could have spiked them. How about that?
 
Anyhow, Icke isn't saying anything much that he hasn't said for many years and, as has been pointed out here and elsewhere, other people have been saying it, often better and less controversially. Including different theories about the moon. It should be said though that whatever is going on in the universe, none of us really know, and it will of itself be highly highly unlikely to have just emerged from absolute zero.

Here is one of the latest conspiracy theories chundering around: If you give it some time it's more gripping than Icke repeating himself again.

(Wilcock and Fulford on the Chinese gold taken to America after the war an ensuing consequences still playing out big time, allegedly.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbeBNe3Oml4

Caution: Theories discussed may be at variance with truth.
 
Jazzz said:
I haven't heard him say "all rich people are evil" and doubt very much he would say anything like that.

This is just such trollop. The man actually jacked in an extremely lucrative TV Presenter job (this is a very highly paid position frogwoman) so he could spend years being jeered at in the street and lecture to tiny audiences where he would have to set the chairs up himself. Out of all the mindless accusations against the guy, "he's in it for the money" is the most absurd. Of course the racism one is utterly absurd too. No matter that Icke says we should completely ignore divisions of race, religion, or whatever as they are simply labels, as we are one consciousness. How can you be racist if you say that? It's the only way you truly cannot be.
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What is your opinion of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
 
frogwoman said:
does he fuck. my take on it is that he had a mental breakdown and when he came out of it he realised that he could make some money, so he did. i'm sure he believes some of it but frankly so what? since when does "truly believing" bullshit you've made up in your head mean you lose the capacity to know right and wrong? it doesn't make him any less of a dangerous idiot. and i'm sorry but he makes millions from those books, dvds, and other bollocks. he is a very rich man. fair play (sort of) if he earned it fairly, but he hasn't, he has earned it through selling a pack of lies to what are frequently people with very serious mental health problems.
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And you could be right froggy, I just find the possibility really hard to swallow. I mean, the stuff about the lizards was (more than) bad enough but this stuff about the moon - he says that just to make money, when any sane person would realise that 99.9% of the population would think he was batshit crazy for saying it? It just doesn't make sense.
 
Meltingpot said:
And you could be right froggy, I just find the possibility really hard to swallow. I mean, the stuff about the lizards was (more than) bad enough but this stuff about the moon - he says that just to make money, when any sane person would realise that 99.9% of the population would think he was batshit crazy for saying it? It just doesn't make sense.
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Funny enough I would have had you down as an Icke fan, given your love of hanging around with racists and anti semites.
 
Spanky Longhorn said:
Funny enough I would have had you down as an Icke fan, given your love of hanging around with racists and anti semites.
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I noticed something t'other day, "alexandre" on that phora place also appears to be "revision", a sfront moderator, same avatar and signature. Anyway, carry on.
 
Spanky Longhorn said:
Funny enough I would have had you down as an Icke fan, given your love of hanging around with racists and anti semites.
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I'm posting on here, where a lot of anarchists and Marxists post. Does that mean I "love hanging around with anarchists and Marxists"?

What do you base these snippets of information about people on?
 
Icke refers to the "reptilian", from the time in evolution that the species emerged from the sea and believes that there are some who can't exhibit empathy because of this "reptilian" throwback, or something like that. It's David Icke's distinct lack of politics that has him thinking along these lines and I would hazard a guess too, by making lots of dosh from his books and speeches.
 
While Jazzz is busy deluding himself that Icke doing a one off show at Wembley Arena is somehow symptomatic of a massive rise in conspiraloonery, it should be pointed out that that equally bonkers 'healing' pastors can attract far bigger crowds there.

These glorious meetings came to a climax with five power packed sessions with the Holy Ghost at the Wembley Arena, UK, venue for The Higher Life Conference UK. Participants came from all over UK, Europe and beyond. God’s Word was received in its simplicity and as the congregation embraced it, they were awakened to the reality of God. Salvation, healings and transformations were received and the glory of it all was much more than anyone could imagine.

Healings of all kinds of infirmities began to take place within the arena. It was glorious as the healing line overflowed with hundreds of grateful testifiers.
http://christembassy.org/blog/
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I can understand people saying Icke's an anti-Semite, though I don't think he is myself (he's anti-global elite rather than anti- any particular ethnic group within it), but what makes people think he's a racist? He's clearly proud of the fact his daughter has (or had) a black boyfriend and one of his best friends is Credo Mutwa (the Zulu shaman).
 
editor said:
While Jazzz is busy deluding himself that Icke doing a one off show at Wembley Arena is somehow symptomatic of a massive rise in conspiraloonery, it should be pointed out that that equally bonkers 'healing' pastors can attract far bigger crowds there.
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bonkers to you and me, certainly - but the core tenets of that faith have attracted billions of believers, over the past 2 millennia, so they're perhaps not that like-for-like comparable
 
Streathamite said:
bonkers to you and me, certainly - but the core tenets of that faith have attracted billions of believers, over the past 2 millennia, so they're perhaps not that like-for-like comparable
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Similar kind of thing with an opportunistic, business-minded charismatic leader spouting a load of ludicrous shite while raking in the dosh from his 'followers'.

Some of the stadium-filling 'pastors' and 'healers' peddle a very weird version of Christianity and more than a few have been exposed as charlatans.
 
Meltingpot said:
I can understand people saying Icke's an anti-Semite, though I don't think he is myself (he's anti-global elite rather than anti- any particular ethnic group within it),
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So why not be an anti-capitalist/globalisation activist rather than indulging in stuff like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and all the other anti-semitic stuff that forms and surrounds those movements/'theories'?

I think we probably know the answer to that though.
 
Meltingpot said:
I can understand people saying Icke's an anti-Semite, though I don't think he is myself (he's anti-global elite rather than anti- any particular ethnic group within it), but what makes people think he's a racist? He's clearly proud of the fact his daughter has (or had) a black boyfriend and one of his best friends is Credo Mutwa (the Zulu shaman).
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You can be anti-semitic but not anti-black. Anyway, if, as you say, you recognise or understand why people think that he's anti-semitic then why are you asking why they think he's racist? Think this one through.
 
Meltingpot said:
And you could be right froggy, I just find the possibility really hard to swallow. I mean, the stuff about the lizards was (more than) bad enough but this stuff about the moon - he says that just to make money, when any sane person would realise that 99.9% of the population would think he was batshit crazy for saying it? It just doesn't make sense.
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People say all sorts of crazy shit to make money.
 
You could say the same about ATOS. "99% of the population must immediately think they are cunts so they must really believe in what they're doing to continue making a business out of it" - Bollocks.
 
editor said:
While Jazzz is busy deluding himself that Icke doing a one off show at Wembley Arena is somehow symptomatic of a massive rise in conspiraloonery, it should be pointed out that that equally bonkers 'healing' pastors can attract far bigger crowds there.
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I was think more of Newman and Baddiel.
 
I think religious cults are a very good analogy for what the likes of Icke are doing - the devotees all have a similar unshakeable blind faith in 'the truth' - a privallaged truth that only the true devotees are party to. And those that debunk their arguments with stuff like facts and eveidence are denounced as agents of Satan/The Illuminati/The Global Elite/Lizards etc.

Does Icke believe in this snake oil? Im sure he does to an extent - he clearly has a messiah complex. However this in now way excludes his motivations also including self-glorification, attention seeking and the lust for filthy lucre.
 
well as i said earlier money may not be the only motivation. Some people enjoy being hated and they enjoy all the bad publicity they get, they enjoy being despised or whatever because it makes them feel important. They like the attention and they like being able to whine about it. Someone like Jonathan King falls into this category imo. And some of the members of the current government. Look at Cameron for example, he's loving all the hate
 
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