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David Cameron suggest banning message encryption

Now I'm under no illusion I can hide myself from the government if they are after me, but how would I find out where Surf Easy are based?

They say they will hand over information with a warrant, so doesn't matter I guess, just curious.

Still keeps me safe on public wifi and let's me go straight to torrent sites.
 
Can you list them?

Tempting as it is to tell you to
do your own research
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Bulgaria, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Romania, Sweden; DRD doesn't apply to VPN providers
Belgium, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Germany; no DRD compliance.




How do you think authorities across the world have been able to find members of Lulzsec, anonymous and AntiSec, as well as many child pornography's and track the communications of terrorist groups? All these groups have experts in internet communications and yet are unable to remain hidden

To be honest, I don't think posters here are concerning themselves with launching audacious cyberattacks while using hidemyass.com. People just don't want their government snooping on their web activities. A great deal of resources are used trying to track down hackers and terrorists but those resources are finite and guess what? You only hear about the people who get caught. Most "cyber crimes" are carrying on undetected or with either no means of finding the perpetrators, or not enough resources to justify finding them.
 
I should add that it isn't only the Government and security services that people should worry about. Many agencies have access to apply for data that has been retained, as mentioned above Local Authorities, the NHS and others like the Inland revenue and varies Government departments can apply for access, this means in the real world that private detectives and others can buy their way to this information.
 
Tempting as it is to tell you to

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Bulgaria, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Romania, Sweden; DRD doesn't apply to VPN providers
Belgium, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Germany; no DRD compliance.






To be honest, I don't think posters here are concerning themselves with launching audacious cyberattacks while using hidemyass.com. People just don't want their government snooping on their web activities. A great deal of resources are used trying to track down hackers and terrorists but those resources are finite and guess what? You only hear about the people who get caught. Most "cyber crimes" are carrying on undetected or with either no means of finding the perpetrators, or not enough resources to justify finding them.
Well I can see right away your list is wrong :)

While it may not be required, it happens in a number of the countries you list
 
They want your ISP to store it because it makes it easier for the police and other agencies. such as Local Authorities to request the data.

This is correct, however the point i am making is that if you use an encrypted VPN, your internet use is invisible to your *ISP*. Nothing that you have said has acknowledged or addressed this point.

Your ISP cannot store information about the content of a person's internet use if they are using an encrypted VPN, because all they can see is a stream of random data going to and from one server.

How can you be sure the VPN provider is not tracking and collecting your data, many already do.

You can't be sure, however that is irrelevant to my point that your ISP cannot see your internet use if you use a VPN.

Your VPN can see your traffic, and they may or may not log that information, but your ISP cannot see your traffic if it is encrypted.

The recent media reports have been saying that ISPs are going to have to start storing the content of people's web use (which websites and services a particular individual has used) however that is rendered 100% impossible by the use of VPNs and the like (such as TOR etc)


Have your read about the EU's Data Retention Directive it has been in place since 2006, VPN's are well covered in this document.

This directive would only cover VPNs that are based within Europe, but there is nothing stopping a British internet user from using a VPN based in a country outside of Europe that does not have data retention laws.

Either way, this is irrelevant to my point that VPNs render your internet traffic invisible to your *ISP*.

it makes no difference if you use a domestic or foreign VPN.

This is incorrect, the difference is that if you use a VPN that is based in a foreign country, all your internet traffic is re-routed via a server in that country.

That is a significant difference considering the different laws that different countries have regarding internet traffic.

Data is collected at what are called "endpoints" and via transit cables. Your data is only encrypted from you to your ISP and them the VPN (unless your target endpoint uses SSL/TLS, which is also thought to be vulnerable), after that every request is not encrypted unless you personally encrypt it end to end so it can't be read. All data that crosses boarders is collect.

You are missing my point with this ^ pointless obfuscation.

Since the data traffic is encrypted when it passes to your computer via your ISP, it is rendered invisible to your ISP. That is the point i am making, in response to Theresa May's recent claim that ISPs will have to start logging people's internet use.

How do you think authorities across the world have been able to find members of Lulzsec, anonymous and AntiSec, as well as many child pornography's and track the communications of terrorist groups?

These people are likely caught via targeted action based on specific intelligence, and certainly *not* via the kind of fantasy mass information gathering that Theresa May is wetting her knickers about.
 
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I have said above (in my post you have quoted) that the VPN data is encrypted to your ISP.

Look, if you think you can retain your privacy on the internet good for you.

Edit, That's it from me, I have made my point and see little reason to continue as everything I have said about privacy is available for everyone to read on the web.
 
Well I can see right away your list is wrong :)

While it may not be required, it happens in a number of the countries you list
Where did I say it never happens? I said it wasn't a requirement in those countries, and besides that the DRD was declared invalid by the ECJ last year. It's like you've given up on whatever your argument was and just started trolling ":)"

Some countries, such as Belgium, Germany and the Czech Republic put up a spirited resistance to the Directive and have never got around, despite intense pressure from the EU, to implementing it.

Whether VPN providers were bound by the DRD was something of a grey area not fully covered by the original wording of the legislation, so it fell to individual governments to decide whether to explicitly include them when they transposed the Directive into national legislation. Most countries did, although some (notably Sweden, the Netherlands, and Romania) excluded VPN providers from local implementation of the Directive. VPN providers throughout Europe may now be in a much stronger position to offer truly ‘no logs’ services.

Top EU court rules Data Retention Directive invalid - BestVPN.com
 
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I have said above (in my post you have quoted) that the VPN data is encrypted to your ISP.

Then you agree with my point that the kind of data-logging that Theresa May recently announced is actually rendered impossible by VPNs and the like (TOR etc.).

That is all i was saying. Theresa May made a big show of announcing in front of the media that the government was going to start making ISPs log their customer's website visits, as if that is a simple and straightforward thing to do.

However it is actually pure fantasy, it would be completely unworkable and unenforceable. But there are many gullible morons who believe the hype about mass data retention and who are now scared that Big Brother is able to track their internet use and see which websites they are looking at.
 
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Then you agree with my point that the kind of data-logging that Theresa May recently announced is actually rendered impossible by VPNs and the like (TOR etc.).

That is all i was saying. Theresa May made a big show of announcing in front of the media that the government was going to start making ISPs log their customer's website visits, as if that is a simple and straightforward thing to do.

However it is actually pure fantasy, it would be completely unworkable and unenforceable. But there are many gullible morons who believe the hype about mass data retention and who are now scared that Big Brother is able to track their internet use and see which websites they are looking at.
As I said above, I'm finished here as I have made the points I came onto this thread to make, but as you asked me I direct question, it would be rude of my not to give you an answer.

I have zero interest in what some here today, gone tomorrow politician from an insignificant island of the coast of Europe wants to do. I believe I have explained in at least two posts my motivation for engaging in this tread, but I am happy to repeat myself. All my post have been made in an effort to inform others about their lack of privacy on the internet and to highlight vulnerabilities in both TOR and VPN's.
 
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