Dance troupe Diversity's Black Lives Matter performance receives 24,000 complaints

[Reno]

You're the one who started a grammar fight.


So Sadler's Wells performers are exclusively amateur street performers? Where do the Royal Academy graduates perform?

There are lots of ballet and modern dance companies for them to perform in. They don't do street dance though as the entire point of that is street-trained dancers. Unless it's in some Hollywood dance film where via plot contrivances a ballerina has to hold her own with hip hop kids. I believe that's an entire dance movie sub genre, it's not reality though.

 

[two sheds]

You're the one who started a grammar fight.

I think you'll find that I'm the one who corrected the errant apostrophes

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's not about elitism, though, is it? bgt is shit in the same way that Stock, Aitken and Waterman were shit. That's not an elitist statement. Motown in its heyday produced a mass of not-shit music that was also popular. SAW just produced shit that was popular, thus filling with shit spaces that could have had better things in them. Jacques Brel used to perform on Saturday night prime time in France back in the day. There's no reason it can't be better than the dirge produced by the inheritors of the spirit of Pete Waterman, other than the fact that they have inherited that space and they employ a slick operation to ensure they keep it. It's not elitist to refuse to accept the shite being sold to you and to want better. It's also not a crime to enjoy it, but I don't see why anyone should get some special pass for enjoying it, and it's definitely not just a class thing. To claim that is itself a form of class prejudice, imo.

 

[maomao]

There are lots of ballet and modern dance companies for them to perform in. They don't do street dance though as the entire point of that is street-trained dancers. Unless it's in some Hollywood dance film where via plot contrivances a ballerina has to hold her own with hip hop kids. I believe that's an entire dance movie sub genre, it's not reality though.

So on the Royal Academy's website where it says they do ballet, jazz and street dance they're lying?

 

[maomao]

I think you'll find that I'm the one who corrected the errant apostrophes

Yeah, he started it, you finished it.

 

[Reno]

So on the Royal Academy's website where it says they do ballet, jazz and street dance they're lying?

Of course you can train for any form if dance there.

You are right, all the great hip hop and street dancers from the US and from all over the UK who perform at Breakin', really went to the Royal Academy. Street dance is all a big con !

 

[maomao]

Of course you can train for any form if dance there.

You are right, all the great hip hop and street dancers from the US and from all over the UK who perform at Breakin' really went to the Royal Academy. Street dance is all a big con !

So just one show then? Cause you were making it sound like some sort of permanent festival of street dance with no pros allowed.

And I'd bet money that a fair proportion of professional dancers in professional dance shows are professionally trained.

 

[scifisam]

Sure, you can contrive that for the sake of scoring a point, but who talks like that ? In the end this isn't a discussion about linguistics but about dance routine and street dance.



This is what I took issue with, the claim that the street dancers who appear at Sadler's Wells have an advantage because of years of professional training or that they are ballerinas who are attempting street dance. The street dancers who appear at Breakin' at Sadler's Wells learned their skills on the street, they are not professionally trained dancers as both of you claimed. They learned their skills just like Diversity, they just haven't pissed away their credibility on overproduced stadium and tv routines. I just found the on-the-nose quality of the number cringemaking

You made the discussion about linguistics by attempting to correct my English.

The Sadler's Wells dancers - or dancers at Sadler's Wells, because phrasing it that way for some reason is important to you - are usually professionals with professional training; not all dance training is ballet. That doesn't make street dance a con - what are you on about?

And the Breakin' festival is literally an international festival of the best streetdance troupes from around the world. If Diversity aren't as good as them, so what? They're not the best in the world? Oh no, how terrible. You don't like Diversity, fine, that's your opinion. WTF does it have to do with this thread?

 

[scifisam]

This is a rubbish argument. You're all wrong

it should be Sadler's Wells' dancers

Nah, the possessive actually would imply that the dancers were part of Sadler's Wells rather than simply performing there. Though they do have some courses of their own, including in street dance, so the students there could be Sadler's Wells' dancers.

(And yeah, I know you were just taking the piss).

 

[two sheds]

(And yeah, I know you were just taking the piss).

 

[Reno]

You made the discussion about linguistics by attempting to correct my English.

The Sadler's Wells dancers - or dancers at Sadler's Wells, because phrasing it that way for some reason is important to you - are usually professionals with professional training; not all dance training is ballet.

And the Breakin' festival is literally an international festival of the best streetdance troupes from around the world. If Diversity aren't as good as them, so what? They're not the best in the world? Oh no, how terrible. WTF does it have to do with this thread?

I questioned why Diversity perform at Butlins while more credibly modern and street dance companies perform at Sadler's Wells. Then the Urban75 trump card of class got invoked (Sadler's Wells obviously being for toffs only) and it all went pear shaped. littlebabyjesus picked up the baton above and put it better than I did. Expecting for art not to be populist shit isn't elitist and it's condescending to the working class to claim that BGT is for them and that they wouldn't want anything better. That is not off-topic when discussing a street dance talent show act and it's artistic merits.

I'm not even that invested in this topic and now I spent half an evening on it.

 

[belboid]

is anyone saying that tho? I’m certainly not. You can be pretty populist AND bloody good - just look at a whole host of pop music. And of course working class people can enjoy ‘good’ art. It’s just that performances aimed at aficionados are going to be rather different to those aimed at a prime time Saturday night audience.

 

[Reno]

I think you'll find that I'm the one who corrected the errant apostrophes

I also claim apostrophe amnesty as I've got both German and English auto correct on.

 

[Reno]

is anyone saying that tho? I’m certainly not. You can be pretty populist AND bloody good - just look at a whole host of pop music. And of course working class people can enjoy ‘good’ art. It’s just that performances aimed at aficionados are going to be rather different to those aimed at a prime time Saturday night audience.

I'm not arguing that pop culture doesn't come up lots of great art, I'm a fan. But I don't believe that modern talent shows produce anything good and their criteria by which to evaluate talent and artistry is terrible. It's a horrible mix of sentimentality, human interest story and superficial technical talent which is soulless. It's not about how to interpret a song or a dance with personalty and meaning, it's about who can hold that note the longest and who can jump the highest and who has the best sob story. I think it has a bad influence on popular culture and on how many people evaluate art/entertainment now. That Diversity dance number is all that. For me it's a little sad when someone says, I generally don't like dance, but I like this, which got me started on Diversity's artistic merits.

 

[belboid]

Generalisations may be generally true, but they also miss (by definition) those exceptions to the rule.

As Little Mix and Alesha Dixon would undoubtedly tell you.

 

[scifisam]

I questioned why Diversity perform at Butlins while more credibly modern and street dance companies perform at Sadler's Wells. Then the Urban75 trump card of class got invoked (Sadler's Wells obviously being for toffs only) and it all went pear shaped. littlebabyjesus picked up the baton above and put it better than I did. Expecting for art not to be populist shit isn't elitist and it's condescending to the working class to claim that BGT is for them and that they wouldn't want anything better. That is not off-topic when discussing a street dance talent show act and it's artistic merits.

I'm not even that invested in this topic and now I spent half an evening on it.

It wouldn't be off-topic when discussing the artistic merits of a street dance troupe, but that's not the topic of this thread. It's a pointless tangent. I mean, there's not really any debate to be had - some people like Diversity, and you don't. You are not obliged to like them, and nobody else is obliged to dislike them either.

Nobody has claimed that working class people don't want good art. But when you bring up Butlins in a dismissive way then you are the one bringing class into the discussion.

 

[editor]

A spokesperson for Ofcom told The Sun it had received 1,675 complaints about Britain’s Got Talent's episode on Saturday - the majority relating to Alesha’s necklace.

Imagine being so fucking pathetically fragile that you go to the effort of registering a complaint over a fucking necklace.

Ofcom hit with 2,000 complaints over Alesha Dixon wearing BLM necklace on BGT

Broadcasting watchdog Ofcom received 1,901 complaints after BGT judge Alesha Dixon wore a BLM necklace on the talent show on Saturday

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[ska invita]

Imagine being so fucking pathetically fragile that you go to the effort of registering a complaint over a fucking necklace.

Ofcom hit with 2,000 complaints over Alesha Dixon wearing BLM necklace on BGT

Broadcasting watchdog Ofcom received 1,901 complaints after BGT judge Alesha Dixon wore a BLM necklace on the talent show on Saturday

www.mirror.co.uk

yeah but what if your child saw it?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Imagine being so fucking pathetically fragile that you go to the effort of registering a complaint over a fucking necklace.

what a bunch of snowflakes...

 

[IC3D]

Really just watched that and it was way less naff than I expected and the kneeling bit jeez get a grip. Pricks.