frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
According to covid tracking project the number of cases is going down slightly which is good. Do you think that's anything to do with more people wearing masks?
COVID-19 in America
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According to covid tracking project the number of cases is going down slightly which is good. Do you think that's anything to do with more people wearing masks?
elbows
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The recent focus on schools reopening reminds me that when it came to school closures at the start of the pandemic, in most cases states of the USA were ahead of the UK with this decision, even though their pandemic was at an earlier stage than ours at that point.
There is a handy table on this website which shows the original closure dates and some other stuff:
www.edweek.org
There is a handy table on this website which shows the original closure dates and some other stuff:
Map: Coronavirus and School Closures in 2019-2020
The coronavirus pandemic forced a near-total shutdown of school buildings in the spring of 2020. See where schools closed and when.
www.edweek.org
abe11825
Like to take a cement fix
It could be possible - more people wearing masks. But I have been talking to quite a few people that don't "believe the hype" and feel masks don't work. That's including local people in both my community and my job.
With schools starting this month, I don't honestly know what will be the outcome, especially with all the news about other regions of the country having started sessions for teachers and a few hundred already testing positive.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
abe11825
Like to take a cement fix
LynnDoyleCooper - yes; I’m in the US and talking about it.
Yossarian
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The drop in the number of confirmed cases reported seems to be linked to a drop in testing - people aren't getting tested because they have to wait hours for a test and weeks for results. The percentage of positive tests is still rising in a lot of places, suggesting that infections are still rising but more of them are going undetected.
Virus testing in the US is dropping, even as deaths mount
U.S. testing for the coronavirus is dropping even as infections remain high and the death toll rises by more than 1,000 a day, a worrisome trend that officials attribute largely to Americans getting discouraged over having to wait hours to get a test and days or weeks to learn the results.
apnews.com
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Good luck for the future.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Hundreds of people are gathering for revivals and baptisms, despite public health orders aimed at limiting the spread of the coronavirus, with few wearing masks or social distancing, when both new cases & deaths are running high.
news.sky.com
Coronavirus: Religious revivals and beach baptisms defy public health orders in California
One of the attending police officers admitted there was nothing they could really do.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
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abe11825
Like to take a cement fix
The drop in the number of confirmed cases reported seems to be linked to a drop in testing - people aren't getting tested because they have to wait hours for a test and weeks for results. The percentage of positive tests is still rising in a lot of places, suggesting that infections are still rising but more of them are going undetected.
Virus testing in the US is dropping, even as deaths mount
U.S. testing for the coronavirus is dropping even as infections remain high and the death toll rises by more than 1,000 a day, a worrisome trend that officials attribute largely to Americans getting discouraged over having to wait hours to get a test and days or weeks to learn the results.
I work with someone who took the test on a Friday and didn't get their results until the following Friday. Others have waited more than a week. It depends on where you're getting the test taken, on how long you get the results back. Although, there is talk about the results "only being valid on the day taken". Meaning, you take it today, whatever the outcome (and when you get the answers), equals you were (positive/negative) today only. You could take a test every day and have a different answer - some people I know have received false positives.
On an unrelated but related note to testing and infection rates going undetected, I've been hearing (on the radio and talking to different people on different sides of the issue) that those with other problems (for example: people who think they're having a heart attack or stroke) aren't going to the hospital because they don't want to risk getting infected with the disease. They'd rather suffer and (potentially) die at home rather than go get treated at a hospital. Once you're admitted to hospital, no matter the underlying cause, you're admitted as a Covid patient (hospitals are getting paid more by the state / government for saying they've got Covid patients). Going in with a heart attack is going to get confirmed as a Covid heart attack - the heart attack was brought on by the Covid. One person I work with, said that anything anyone goes in with now, is all Covid related... which is something I don't believe in. If you've got high blood pressure from years of doing bad things to your body (eating lousy food or what not), going into hospital now with a heart attack isn't simply pandemic related. It's just bad timing /a coincidence.
I hear both sides, but lean more to questioning a lot of all of it.
Every time I'm meant to visit, over the last few years, some crazy shit happens. It's definitely been a fun and wild 20 years, I'll admit to that! "Next year in Jerusalem"!
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I think it's fairly unlikely that hospitals are being paid to have more covid patients or that everything is being treated as covid tbh, there's similar allegations here but the government is known to be undercounting cases and deaths.
I've heard about the false positive/negative thing too and people receiving tests meant for someone else. Not good
I can imagine that people would be worried to go to hospital though
I've heard about the false positive/negative thing too and people receiving tests meant for someone else. Not good
I can imagine that people would be worried to go to hospital though
elbows
Well-Known Member
Californias public health director has resigned and there was an immense test data 'backlog'.
abcnews.go.com
CalREDIE wasn't ready.
Governor gives few details on top California official's exit
California Gov. Gavin Newsom is giving few details about the abrupt resignation of the state's top health official following a data glitch that backlogged nearly 300,000 coronavirus records
CalREDIE wasn't ready.
abe11825
Like to take a cement fix
frogwoman - I’ve heard the whole “you enter the hospital now, you are seen as an immediate covid patient” from numerous sources. One of them is my direct boss, whom I do not believe (Or trust) at any other time of the year. So I really don’t think he’s telling the whole truth now either, because he likes to stir the pot with people who are willing to have an argument with him.
The reason he says hospital stays are covid stays, is his wife works for the covid unit in the local hospital system. She is one of 10 for her unit and building, and she routinely deals with the ones who die on a regular basis (he claimed 2 weeks ago that “she bagged 5 people” the day prior he started running his mouth to other people about this issue). So he has all these statistics she is telling him, including the fact that any person going into the hospital during this crisis, is going in as a covid patient. He even says “don’t believe me? Ask my wife!”.
If you’re suffering a heart attack, the hospital says it was brought on by covid - the heart attack is your covid symptom. Even if you had underlying causes prior to the pandemic, you dying of a heart attack was brought on by the coronavirus.
I questioned him about it. What makes it true - if you had all the markings for a heart attack over the last few years and coincidently now have to go in, why is that covid and not dumb luck? He said because the covid is what you have and your symptoms are the heart attack (instead of a fever and taste problems for example). There’s no such thing as having the problems before hand right now. Where everyone’s symptoms are different, you testing positive brought you to the emergency room because you are having a heart attack that was brought on by the covid. No way around it.
He also stated that the hospital gets paid a couple thousand dollars more for each person they say came through with covid (rather than a broken limb and sent home. Your broken limb was covid related).
I wish all this didn’t sound like a joke or fictitious. If people want to know what type of conversations are happening in the country, this is part of it.
The reason he says hospital stays are covid stays, is his wife works for the covid unit in the local hospital system. She is one of 10 for her unit and building, and she routinely deals with the ones who die on a regular basis (he claimed 2 weeks ago that “she bagged 5 people” the day prior he started running his mouth to other people about this issue). So he has all these statistics she is telling him, including the fact that any person going into the hospital during this crisis, is going in as a covid patient. He even says “don’t believe me? Ask my wife!”.
If you’re suffering a heart attack, the hospital says it was brought on by covid - the heart attack is your covid symptom. Even if you had underlying causes prior to the pandemic, you dying of a heart attack was brought on by the coronavirus.
I questioned him about it. What makes it true - if you had all the markings for a heart attack over the last few years and coincidently now have to go in, why is that covid and not dumb luck? He said because the covid is what you have and your symptoms are the heart attack (instead of a fever and taste problems for example). There’s no such thing as having the problems before hand right now. Where everyone’s symptoms are different, you testing positive brought you to the emergency room because you are having a heart attack that was brought on by the covid. No way around it.
He also stated that the hospital gets paid a couple thousand dollars more for each person they say came through with covid (rather than a broken limb and sent home. Your broken limb was covid related).
I wish all this didn’t sound like a joke or fictitious. If people want to know what type of conversations are happening in the country, this is part of it.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Hmmmm, I kinda have trouble believing him tbh (not your story but what he said) it is the exact same thing (usually) right wing people come up with here and there are so many 'excess' deaths above the average number of deaths that would have usually died this year, and are not included in the number the government announced, that it can't be a coincidence. He sounds a piece of work though. 'Bagged' 5 people? What a POS 
I'd be really sceptical unless I spoke to her myself as it sounds incredibly dubious lol. I'm not denying something like that may have happened once but it's unlikely to be on a big scale imo
I'd be really sceptical unless I spoke to her myself as it sounds incredibly dubious lol. I'm not denying something like that may have happened once but it's unlikely to be on a big scale imo
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I had a chat with someone I know yesterday (more a neighbor that's friendly and have mutual friends with rather than an actual friend) and she suggested that loads of the covid death figures here in the UK are exaggerated, but she did it in a slightly confused questioning way that suggested she'd got it from a few FB or whatever posts. Explained that wasn't the case, and she seemed fine to believe that, but yet again another person that has got really confused about this and is struggling to pick the fact from fiction out of the deluge of social media nonsense. And imagine it's even worse in the US, even among HCPs sometimes.
wemakeyousoundb
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elbows
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Also I can have a good look at certain states that make a lot of hospitalisation data available.
For example here is a graph from Arizona where number of patient visits with covid-19-like-illnesses are shown as a percentage of all patient visits. I'm not going to try to repeat the exercise for other states and some of them have crappy amount of data sharing, but I think it demonstrates the reality is far away from that utter bullshit being discussed earlier.
From AZDHS | COVID-19 Dashboards
abe11825
Like to take a cement fix
Froggy - that’s why I don’t believe everything my boss ever says. Especially now, where I’ve witnessed him specifically try to rile people up just so he can get a rise from them. These are people who want to look at the numbers and see the reports, questioning every thing all the media puts out. They’ve even said his statistics versus the media statistics don’t make sense. He says “don’t believe me? Ask my wife! She’s in it... on the front lines doing this every day!”
My boss doesn’t believe anything except what his wife tells him and what the White House says (but most of it comes from his wife).
He’s very vocal on how she works the unit and the hospital doesn’t like him coming to work because he had the potential of getting her sick, thus, getting her small unit sick. On the other hand, she has more potential of getting him sick and he then gets a few hundred people sick. My employer already has had several confirmed cases of the disease and there was a moment where it felt like people were getting confirmations every day. If not a confirmation, trace contacting is done and full departments are out of work for a week “as a precaution”. I know of a few deaths already from the people who live here (I work in a retirement community for those who are about to ask where my job is) and no one publicly speaks of it.
I don’t know what amount is true- the percentage of who gets tacked a “covid death” or “covid (name your illness)” but I don’t think everything I hear from my boss is entirely true. Especially since I question why or how it is possible to go to the hospital with one problem and walk out being told you caught the disease. Surely that’s why a lot of the numbers don’t make sense - because people are concerned that if they go, what will happen? The older population is more susceptible they say... so if someone is stubborn enough to not enter the emergency room for a major problem, then what? Do you die in your house and the medical exam we rules... what? A stroke? Or according to my boss, you have covid stroke? I personally know someone who died a few years ago, who had a stroke but was too stubborn to seek help. She had done too much damage to herself by staying home, so when she was finally found, she Couldn’t recover 100%. She spent over a year in rehab, then in facilities, to end up dying because she kept going down hill. The kicker is: she had the stroke an hour after leaving her GP. it was her yearly physical and she got a full bill of health. Perfectly fine. I can only imagine if that happened now - what would the doctors say?
I don’t have the normal social media platforms (FBook, Twitter, etc) so I tend to shrug the naysayers away. I’ve got a few people in my neighborhood (plus my job) that say this whole thing isn’t real. That it’s just another way to dial down the population or get someone elected in office or whatever the need be. One of my neighbors is a 74 year old war veteran. He is all for the Cheeto in Charge and believes the masks are just as much a farce as this whole pandemic is. He believes the man with the wig is doing an awesome job at running this country and can’t wait until he’s elected in for another 4 years. Yet, another neighbor has mixed reviews about this country and feels that the Oompa Loompa is doing a poor job in controlling the information and allowing so many deaths. He can’t wait for someone else to be in office.
My boss doesn’t believe anything except what his wife tells him and what the White House says (but most of it comes from his wife).
He’s very vocal on how she works the unit and the hospital doesn’t like him coming to work because he had the potential of getting her sick, thus, getting her small unit sick. On the other hand, she has more potential of getting him sick and he then gets a few hundred people sick. My employer already has had several confirmed cases of the disease and there was a moment where it felt like people were getting confirmations every day. If not a confirmation, trace contacting is done and full departments are out of work for a week “as a precaution”. I know of a few deaths already from the people who live here (I work in a retirement community for those who are about to ask where my job is) and no one publicly speaks of it.
I don’t know what amount is true- the percentage of who gets tacked a “covid death” or “covid (name your illness)” but I don’t think everything I hear from my boss is entirely true. Especially since I question why or how it is possible to go to the hospital with one problem and walk out being told you caught the disease. Surely that’s why a lot of the numbers don’t make sense - because people are concerned that if they go, what will happen? The older population is more susceptible they say... so if someone is stubborn enough to not enter the emergency room for a major problem, then what? Do you die in your house and the medical exam we rules... what? A stroke? Or according to my boss, you have covid stroke? I personally know someone who died a few years ago, who had a stroke but was too stubborn to seek help. She had done too much damage to herself by staying home, so when she was finally found, she Couldn’t recover 100%. She spent over a year in rehab, then in facilities, to end up dying because she kept going down hill. The kicker is: she had the stroke an hour after leaving her GP. it was her yearly physical and she got a full bill of health. Perfectly fine. I can only imagine if that happened now - what would the doctors say?
I don’t have the normal social media platforms (FBook, Twitter, etc) so I tend to shrug the naysayers away. I’ve got a few people in my neighborhood (plus my job) that say this whole thing isn’t real. That it’s just another way to dial down the population or get someone elected in office or whatever the need be. One of my neighbors is a 74 year old war veteran. He is all for the Cheeto in Charge and believes the masks are just as much a farce as this whole pandemic is. He believes the man with the wig is doing an awesome job at running this country and can’t wait until he’s elected in for another 4 years. Yet, another neighbor has mixed reviews about this country and feels that the Oompa Loompa is doing a poor job in controlling the information and allowing so many deaths. He can’t wait for someone else to be in office.
editor
hiraethified
Just listen to this unhinged, self entitled 'pastor'
abe11825
Like to take a cement fix
Holy hell...
I want the last 13 minutes back, please. Thank you.
Wow... this dude is hyped up on more than 7 creams and 5 sugars from his medium coffee. Between the two, his sugar consumption is 10 teaspoons (!) and 14 ounces of cream ... plus whatever sugar listing is in the cream.
He has more than a problem outside of the mask situation. Dude is mental and I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the news because he shot up his “church”. Go crazy on the congregation with a rifle. We will see that make headlines soon. Lol.
I don’t care that he doesn’t want to wear a mask. It’s “within (his) right”. But my problem is that anger. This is why there’s a violence problem now. Even though he claims he is a pastor, that level of hatred is obscene.
I fear for the children that are around him if he gets angry about a piece of cloth on your face....
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Colombia arrests Florida men accused of selling fake COVID cure that allegedly killed 7 people
They face a maximum of between 14 and more than 17 years in prison if convicted of all charges.
www.cbsnews.com
Colombian officials say they have arrested two Florida men wanted in the U.S. on charges they illegally sold a bleachlike chemical as a miracle cure for the new coronavirus and other diseases. The Colombian prosecutor's office said Tuesday that Mark and Joseph Grenon were arrested in the beach town of Santa Marta, and were shipping their "Miracle Mineral Solution" — chlorine dioxide — from there to clients in the United States, Colombia and Africa.
It said seven Americans had died from using the substance.
High Voltage
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0:42 I must be mellowing in my old age - I'm usually far less tolerant of that level of stupidity
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