Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[magneze]

Measures "in the coming weeks". So not now, when most effective. Wait until the rest of the country is in the same state as London.

Again, what are they trying to do? It's just unclear.

 

[Steel Icarus]

The
Economy

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Measures "in the coming weeks". So not now, when most effective. Wait until the rest of the country is in the same state as London.

Again, what are they trying to do? It's just unclear.

Economy before plebs, basically.

 

[StoneRoad]

I don't think are glorious leader can actually make life (of plebs) saving decisions - save his friend's income, yes, he can do that ...

Come on, you wanker, look at the science and see what they are advising and get on with it ...

I'm already back effectively shielding, as we wait for our jabs - I can't be the only household that has seen the writing on the wall.

 

[Epona]

I don't think are glorious leader can actually make life (of plebs) saving decisions - save his friend's income, yes, he can do that ...

Come on, you wanker, look at the science and see what they are advising and get on with it ...

I'm already back effectively shielding, as we wait for our jabs - I can't be the only household that has seen the writing on the wall.

At this point the only thing they can do is come and take are freedom.

Their all wanting to do that after all, it is all about they're own needs.

 

[maomao]

It's one of the quietest weeks of the year for the economy generally, add on covid and Brexit and there's not a lot going on out there that can't be done at home. School attendance is going to be even worse than it was last term and if they'd actually deliver all the laptops they promised teachers could get on with educating kids. I just don't get their strategy at all. The healthcare system's about to be crushed. Thousands will die of operable cancers and other illnesses that shouldn't normally be fatal on top of all the Covid deaths. There's no sign that infection rates could come down without action soon. What's their actual strategy? Are they really just crossing their fingers and hoping for the best?

 

[Artaxerxes]

It's one of the quietest weeks of the year for the economy generally, add on covid and Brexit and there's not a lot going on out there that can't be done at home. School attendance is going to be even worse than it was last term and if they'd actually deliver all the laptops they promised teachers could get on with educating kids. I just don't get their strategy at all. The healthcare system's about to be crushed. Thousands will die of operable cancers and other illnesses that shouldn't normally be fatal on top of all the Covid deaths. There's no sign that infection rates could come down without action soon. What's their actual strategy? Are they really just crossing their fingers and hoping for the best?

No, they just don't give a shit.

 

[maomao]

Their

They're. HTH

(only 'cause you did it earlier )

 

[Epona]

They're. HTH

(only 'cause you did it earlier )

My entire fucking post was satire about grammatical errors, you fool...

 

[maomao]

My entire fucking post was satire about grammatical errors, you fool...

It's not a grammatical error it's a spelling error. HTH

 

[Epona]

So now folks can't even be bothered with arguing with me about real things, they are just piling on for no reason whatsoever besides following the pack? Because I made a joke?

 

[elbows]

It's one of the quietest weeks of the year for the economy generally, add on covid and Brexit and there's not a lot going on out there that can't be done at home. School attendance is going to be even worse than it was last term and if they'd actually deliver all the laptops they promised teachers could get on with educating kids. I just don't get their strategy at all. The healthcare system's about to be crushed. Thousands will die of operable cancers and other illnesses that shouldn't normally be fatal on top of all the Covid deaths. There's no sign that infection rates could come down without action soon. What's their actual strategy? Are they really just crossing their fingers and hoping for the best?

Some of the latest delays are excused as wanting to wait for data about how much impact tier 4 and school holidays have had on the new variant levels of transmission.

There is real data from that period that will be of interest, but the sensible thing to do when waiting for data and facts is to take strong action, and you can always relax it a bit later if circumstances and analysis allow. A precautionary approach. The very opposite of this governments instincts.

 

[elbows]

Liverpools leadership want a new national lockdown, and who can blame them?

Covid: Liverpool's leaders call for new national lockdown

Council leaders say it is "self-evident" the tiers system is not containing the new strain of Covid.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Steel Icarus]

So now folks can't even be bothered with arguing with me about real things, they are just piling on for no reason whatsoever besides following the pack? Because I made a joke?

I'm taking it all to be light hearted, no pile on

 

[Epona]

I'm taking it all to be light hearted, no pile on

Someone who hadn't previously joined in but now makes a post specifically to say they weren't joining in - how exactly is that to be taken other than piling on?

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

What we are seeing in Britain (and America, slightly differently) is what happens when you allow completely amoral and self interested people, supported by sociopathic ideologues with their own messianic agenda, to control and dictate the narrative for an extended period and then seize virtually unchallenged power with most of the media either supine and fearful or fanatically committed to the “project”.

Without opposition that can gain traction or wield any kind of counter-power (due to decades of compromise, infiltration and organisational capture by the same class/type of sociopaths as the current rulers - but with a liberal “left” aesthetic). The ideological erosion wrought by decades of neo-liberalism in the ascendant and worming itself into the headspace and worldview of millions lives on in the difficulty of organising any meaningful large scale resistance, even as the suicidal and hopeless end results of neoliberalism (and its resultant necrotising brain fart of fundamentally dishonest national-populism) manifest as higher and higher piles of corpses and a natural environment teetering on the brink of terminal cascade events.

 

[Epona]

There is a certain level of playground bully bullshit on Urban sometimes - I love it here but sometimes some of you need to take a look at yourselves and consider whether joining in with the popular group to have a go at the shy awkward kid in the corner is really where you want to place your flag.

 

[Looby]

There is a certain level of playground bully bullshit on Urban sometimes - I love it here but sometimes some of you need to take a look at yourselves and consider whether joining in with the popular group to have a go at the shy awkward kid in the corner is really where you want to place your flag.

I really can’t see any pile on and I went back to check. I think you’re really stressed and have had a shitty few days so are probably feeling really sensitive like lots of us are.

 

[maomao]

Apologies. I made a joke remark in response to one made on another thread and thought being called a fool entitled me to a second dig. I don't want to actually upset anyone and was just messing about. I am also not in cahoots with anyone and have always been a solo dickhead.

 

[existentialist]

Most recent SAGE paper on children, schools and transmission.

The key finding, from an ONS/UoMan analysis, is that children were more likely to be the index case in a home - in other words, introduce the virus in the home setting. Children under 12 are around three times more likely to be such than adults (17+) whilst 12-16 year olds are seven times more likely. In a given household, under-17s are more than twice as likely as any of the adults to infect others in that household.

Additionally, a LSHTM/PHE infection survey found that "there are numbers of staff and students attending school with evidence of current infection" ie staff and students with symptoms/recent contact with infected cases are failing to self-isolate accordingly.

Key points of immediate relevance to the coming week:

"accumulating evidence is consistent with increased transmission occurring amongst school children when schools are open, particularly in children of secondary school age (high confidence)."

"multiple data sources show a reduction in transmission in children following schools closing for half term, and transmission rates increasing again following the post-half term return to school (medium confidence)."

Well, who'd have thought it!

 

[Epona]

I really can’t see any pile on and I went back to check. I think you’re really stressed and have had a shitty few days so are probably feeling really sensitive like lots of us are.

Ok so is pulling up a post I made a month ago that at the time received no comments at all and having a go at me about it and a whole bunch of people joining in with that normal? Or do you acknowledge that I might be justified in feeling a little untoward about that? If I am allowed an opinion about it - which it seems most people agree I am not allowed to have any opinion or reaction about that whatsoever and I am being unreasonable

 

[Looby]

Ok so is pulling up a post I made a month ago and having a go at me about it and a whole bunch of people joining in with that normal? Or do you acknowledge that I might be justified in feeling a little untoward about that? If I am allowed an opinion about it.

I have no idea what you’re talking about, I was looking at posts on this thread. If there’s some cross-thread shit going on then I can’t be expected to know that.

 

[Epona]

I have no idea what you’re talking about, I was looking at posts on this thread. If there’s some cross-thread shit going on then I can’t be expected to know that.

Yeah you see it seems like I am being unreasonable until it is pointed out that some old shit has been dredged up - sorry you didn't know about that, maybe don't weigh in if you don't have all the info.

 

[Looby]

Yeah you see it seems like I am being unreasonable until it is pointed out that some old shit has been dredged up - sorry you didn't know about that, maybe don't weigh in if you don't have all the info.

I was trying to be reassuring but I won’t again. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Epona]

I was trying to be reassuring but I won’t again. Thanks for the feedback.

No worries, you didn't come across as reassuring in the slightest so all is good!

 

[Wilf]

I like to keep an eye on what Prof Devi has to say:

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Leadership is a word I keep coming back to. It's not the way I want to look at the world and I'd love to have seen communities and workers in particular industries getting a grip on the pandemic strategy. However we live in a world where that wasn't going to be likely or easy. But as we live in their world, a world where government's have that responsibility, where government is precisely the organising power, leadership is the thing they are supposed to be doing. It's an obvious point to make, but johnson's gang have failed in just about every aspect of the leadership test. No vision, no effective co-ordination, no wartime style marshalling of national resources. Ideologically unwilling to work with unions, but equally unable to work effectively with the private sector, just a shitty croneyism. And then there's the time lag approach where every decision is made too late, chaotic decision making around schools, failure to test people coming through the airports, appalling messaging, Christmas superspreading, PPE, test and trace, universities giving the virus a helping hand in September, a Tier system that follows the virus rather than getting ahead of it...

EDIT: mercifully short version: they are really shit at doing government.

 

[Badgers]

Have been out of the loop

Has anything actually been said?

 

[Steel Icarus]

Leadership is a word I keep coming back to. It's not the way I want to look at the world and I'd love to have seen communities and workers in particular industries getting a grip on the pandemic strategy. However we live in a world where that wasn't going to be likely or easy. But as we live in their world, a world where government's have that responsibility, where government is precisely the organising power, leadership is the thing they are supposed to be doing. It's an obvious point to make, but johnson's gang have failed in just about every aspect of the leadership test. No vision, no effective co-ordination, no wartime style marshalling of national resources. Ideologically unwilling to work with unions, but equally unable to work effectively with the private sector, just a shitty croneyism. And then there's the time lag approach where every decision is made too late, chaotic decision making around schools, failure to test people coming through the airports, appalling messaging, Christmas superspreading, PPE, test and trace, universities giving the virus a helping hand in September, a Tier system that follows the virus rather than getting ahead of it...

Terrific post

 

[maomao]

Some of the latest delays are excused as wanting to wait for data about how much impact tier 4 and school holidays have had on the new variant levels of transmission.

There is real data from that period that will be of interest, but the sensible thing to do when waiting for data and facts is to take strong action, and you can always relax it a bit later if circumstances and analysis allow. A precautionary approach. The very opposite of this governments instincts.

If he'd gone on tv and said something along the lines of 'we believe the new tier system will be enough to keep infection rates down but we'll be ready to bring in new measures if that's not the case' he might get away with it but he just looks like an idiot after his stuff about 'schools being safe apart from the inevitable household mixing that happens in them' the other day. Doubling down just makes the inevitable u-turn look twice as bad.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Have been out of the loop

Has anything actually been said?

No, but we're all joining the NEU in the morning