Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[beesonthewhatnow]

Meanwhile, where it all started...



It didn't have to be like this

 

[elbows]

How completely stupid do you have to be to design a tiered alert system that only goes up to 3 and then realise it needs a 4. After the abandoned 5 level system that needed lots of half numbers in it. Absolute clowns. Not even funny how idiots get into positions of such serious responsibility.

SAGE made it clear in papers dated November 11th that a tier 4 would be needed to achieve certain results in certain circumstances.

Tier 3 restrictions, taken as a whole, are associated with slowing growth rates. Estimates of the relative reduction in R from tier 1 to tier 3 range from around a quarter to a half. It is therefore unclear whether baseline tier 3 restrictions alone would be sufficient at a regional or national level to reduce R below 1. It is likely that some localities may need a “tier 4” to prevent the epidemic from growing. A “tier 4” that guarantees a reduction in prevalence would be required in most places, if the prevalence is to be reduced.

Test and trace, including mass testing, is most effective when prevalence is low. Even the most effective test and trace system will have little impact when caseloads are high. Given that the impact of tiers will vary depending on the characteristics of different areas, a “tier 4” needs to be considered for those parts of the country where tier 3 is not able to shrink the epidemic. This is particularly important in the run up to the winter festive period if relaxation of measures is under consideration. Keeping incidence flat or decreasing between now and then is crucial.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/937449/S0879_SAGE67_201111_SPI-M-O_Statement_Impact_of_Tier_system_and_other_measures_in_the_UK.pdf

 

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[bimble]

Monday? Cool no rush. Nobody likes having to do zoom calls on weekends .

 

[Artaxerxes]

How completely stupid do you have to be to design a tiered alert system that only goes up to 3 and then realise it needs a 4. After the abandoned 5 level system that needed lots of half numbers in it. Absolute clowns. Not even funny how idiots get into positions of such serious responsibility.

The thing is Tier 1-3 now is just Tier 3-5 of the first lockdown.

 

[TopCat]

Monday? Cool no rush. Nobody likes having to do zoom calls on weekends .

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It has to be late. Its traditional.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Monday? Cool no rush. Nobody likes having to do zoom calls on weekends .

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That's old news, things have moved on somewhat since that was announced.

 

[Sue]

The thing is Tier 1-3 now is just Tier 3-5 of the first lockdown.

Is it just me that's completely lost track of the different lockdowns and rules and tiers and which happened when?

 

[bimble]

The thing is Tier 1-3 now is just Tier 3-5 of the first lockdown.

Why did they bin the first system i can’t even remember.
So fed up. And tbh it doesn’t even have that much impact on me personally, I’ve not got vulnerable relative Xmas dinner dilemmas to deal with.

 

[bimble]

That's old news, things have moved on somewhat since that was announced.

Ah ok. I got it from here which is two hours old.

Boris Johnson to hold coronavirus press conference as new strain spreads rapidly

Virus’s mutation prompts fears of third national lockdown for England in new year

www.theguardian.com

 

[TopCat]

Ah ok. I got it from here which is two hours old.

Boris Johnson to hold coronavirus press conference as new strain spreads rapidly

Virus’s mutation prompts fears of third national lockdown for England in new year

www.theguardian.com

Two hours is old and mouldy these days.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Why did they bin the first system i can’t even remember.
So fed up. And tbh it doesn’t even have that much impact on me personally, I’ve not got vulnerable relative Xmas dinner dilemmas to deal with.

Because it only existed for like 2 weeks until Eat Out to get Covid Out wiped out any sense.

 

[TopCat]

50% more contagious rather changes matters.

Hopefully this 50% bit is hyperbole.

 

[TopCat]

Because it only existed for like 2 weeks until Eat Out to get Covid Out wiped out any sense.

Eat out to etc just looks insane now.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Ah ok. I got it from here which is two hours old.

Boris Johnson to hold coronavirus press conference as new strain spreads rapidly

Virus’s mutation prompts fears of third national lockdown for England in new year

www.theguardian.com

Sky News was reporting that at 7 am, long before news of the emergency cabinet meeting & press conference was announced.

The Guardian is clearly quoting out of date reports.

 

[killer b]

it looked insane then too tbf

 

[Badgers]

Wonder if all that money Shapps dished out to the coaches companies for Winterval travel?

 

[brogdale]

Hopefully this 50% bit is hyperbole.

Could be higher, tbh...if the reports are true that it's mutated to be able to survive in Wetherspoons' dishwashers.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Two hours is old and mouldy these days.

news mutates fast in these conditions

 

[weltweit]

This could scupper my Christmas Plan B, Plan C (home alone) is looking ever more likely!

 

[bimble]

When is this press conference then. Any advance on Saturday Afternoon?

 

[brogdale]

When is this press conference then. Any advance on Saturday Afternoon?

Meant to be now-ish

 

[cupid_stunt]

When is this press conference then. Any advance on Saturday Afternoon?

Sky is saying 4.05 pm.

Then Scotland up at 5.25 pm.

 

[Badgers]

Eat out to etc just looks insane now.

Cost a fair bit too

 

[bimble]

Meant to be now-ish

Ok so around 7.30 Johnson will shamble into frame.

 

[brogdale]

Figuring the 'make changes' to home delivery supermarket sites will be crashing bigly in a few mins...

 

[Sue]

Can someone keep me updated? Every time I watch Johnson speak, I don't actually understand what he's just said so no point watching it.

 

[Espresso]

Ok so around 7.30 Johnson will shamble into frame.

That's when the Strictly final is on. He'd get a big fat zero from me.

 

[brogdale]

Figuring the 'make changes' to home delivery supermarket sites will be crashing bigly in a few mins...

Yellow label heaven for those brave enough to venture out?

 

[bimble]

He should not be fucking late to show up to make this announcement 5 days before Xmas to millions of people. What is he doing right now.