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Well if they have no where else to go then I think the idea of giving them somewhere other than the streets ATM is a pretty amazing thing to do.
could be but could also be exactly the wrong thing to do. has the rest of the squat been in isolation for the last two weeks to make sure they are not carriers before asking strangers in?
 
But carry on crowding into virus riddled supermarkets on a daily basis because we can't be arsed to fix the food and essential supply problem.

Fantastic work.

Unfortunately, behaving in a responsible manner towards the rest of the community by not hoovering up available supplies necessitates fairly frequent visits to the supermarket. We are going every second day and only buying what we will eat in the subsequent two days.
 
Unfortunately, behaving in a responsible manner towards the rest of the community by not hoovering up available supplies necessitates fairly frequent visits to the supermarket. We are going every second day and only buying what we will eat in the subsequent two days.

Sure, I'm not blaming people just that fixing the problem with the supermarkets is to my mind a far bigger priority than the sparsely attended pubs and cafes. Yet for some reason the government doesn't see to give much of a shit about it.
 
could be but could also be exactly the wrong thing to do. has the rest of the squat been in isolation for the last two weeks to make sure they are not carriers before asking strangers in?

I am guessing that if they can squat and secure a building with multiple living spaces and negotiate it's use with the authorities, they are not stupid and are fully up on the latest covid19 avoidance and isolation protocol.
 
I am guessing that if they can squat and secure a building with multiple living spaces and negotiate it's use with the authorities, they are not stupid and are fully up on the latest covid19 avoidance and isolation protocol.
Ok, I don't know them so can't comment. The message is out so good on them and best of luck :thumbs:
 
. that is a completely understandable concern . And I was a little too quick to assume they are competent tbh.
 
One of my mates has just sent a message suggesting I should try and catch this now, whilst there are still beds and ventilators available. My response is not printable. :)

Any idea that is guaranteed to backfire horribly if everyone has it at the same time is probably a bad idea.
 
So a bunch of todays news stories are based on SAGE documents the government has now made public.

I havent had a chance to read any of them yet, but here they are:

 
From the document in that collection that deals with public disorder:

  • Where public disorder occurs, it is usually triggered by perceptions about the Government’s response, rather than the nature of the epidemic per se. For example, a perception that the Government response strategies are not effective in looking after the public may lead to an increase in tensions.

 
Sure, I'm not blaming people just that fixing the problem with the supermarkets is to my mind a far bigger priority than the sparsely attended pubs and cafes. Yet for some reason the government doesn't see to give much of a shit about it.

Closing pubs, clubs, etc. is easy, dealing with fuckwits stripping shelves in supermarkets is not so easy.

Beyond sending troops in, what would you suggest as a solution?
 
Beyond sending troops in, what would you suggest as a solution?

Exactly this. Why not use the resources at our disposal? This is supposed to be a national emergency of a level none of us have faced in our lifetime. I'd rather have a cop or a couple of soldiers enforcing a reasonable regime rather than expecting the poor low paid person on the till.

Closing pubs and cafes is going to be irrelevant if we all still have to traipse to the shops regularly to scavenge in crowded places. The food supply chain has effectively collapsed in a lot of places, under these circumstances it doesn't seem unreasonable to use the resources that are available. I'd rather they give that a go before we all have to go into complete lockdown and they instead use police and troops to enforce that.

There are other ways. Some sort of formal approach to who can shop on which days to spread the crowds out. They could attempt to ration to some description. Johnson should at least try instead of washing is hands and drunkenly mumbling something about being nice to each other.
 
Any idea that is guaranteed to backfire horribly if everyone has it at the same time is probably a bad idea.

Apart from the fact that if I get this, ventilated or not, I will probably die. Age and lack of lung capacity are against me.

On the upside though, ex nurse, ex soldier, well versed in keeping yourself safe from contamination. Hand gel after touching anything that anyone else has touched,and keeping away from people.
 
Exactly this. Why not use the resources at our disposal? This is supposed to be a national emergency of a level none of us have faced in our lifetime. I'd rather have a cop or a couple of soldiers enforcing a reasonable regime rather than expecting the poor low paid person on the till.

Closing pubs and cafes is going to be irrelevant if we all still have to traipse to the shops regularly to scavenge in crowded places. The food supply chain has effectively collapsed in a lot of places, under these circumstances it doesn't seem unreasonable to use the resources that are available. I'd rather they give that a go before we all have to go into complete lockdown and they instead use police and troops to enforce that.

There are other ways. Some sort of formal approach to who can shop on which days to spread the crowds out. They could attempt to ration to some description. Johnson should at least try instead of washing is hands and drunkenly mumbling something about being nice to each other.

Mrs Sas reckons that ration cards may emerge before we are over this. You could also allot shopping slots.
 
That last document I linked to is rather surreal in places, given it was from Feb 25th and says this:

  • Provide clear and transparent reasons for different strategies: The public need to understand the purpose of the Government’s policy, why the UK approach differs to other countries and how resources are being allocated. SPI-B agreed that government should prioritise messaging that explains clearly why certain actions are being taken, ahead of messaging designed solely for reassuring the public.

Well the 'why the UK approach differs to other countries' went down in flames a week ago.
 
My immune depleted D-i-L has been sweating, hacking and down with a sore throat. As a nursery nurse who has been shopping everyday, I fear the worst. She has been quite calm (she has had several brushes with death all her life, but my youngest is devastated with fear. At what point should she call 111. Wait till she is on her last gasp. Phone now (she will not be able to fight this on her own - she already has intense gamma globulin treatment and is not over thyroid cancer. She is 29 and I love her.

Have also had to venture forth for milk and electricity (on a pre-payment meter). Am worried we are going to be starving, left in the dark, withdrawing from a script and bereft. stuck at home with a grumpy partner and no-one else. have been trying to access UC for him for 4 hours! I fucking hope this is a free line (0300).
 
And you can guarantee the rich will do just fine, whatever happens.
As always.

May I commend to the world my friend and Brother Qaiser Ahmed. He has the wee shop fifty yards from us. He has not increased the price of anything, and is making sure his regulars are getting what they need. Like many little community shops, his main business is amongst the less well off. People who normally buy a two pack of bog rolls, or a small jar of coffee. He is looking after the people he sees every day.
 
Exactly this. Why not use the resources at our disposal? This is supposed to be a national emergency of a level none of us have faced in our lifetime. I'd rather have a cop or a couple of soldiers enforcing a reasonable regime rather than expecting the poor low paid person on the till.

Closing pubs and cafes is going to be irrelevant if we all still have to traipse to the shops regularly to scavenge in crowded places. The food supply chain has effectively collapsed in a lot of places, under these circumstances it doesn't seem unreasonable to use the resources that are available. I'd rather they give that a go before we all have to go into complete lockdown and they instead use police and troops to enforce that.

What resources that are available?

The police are short staffed and struggling to cope, 20,000 troops are coming to help the NHS, police & with logistics. There's over 14,000 supermarkets & large food stores in the UK, where are the numbers of police & troops to guard them? :hmm:
 
Cornwall doesnt want people going on holiday there:

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Probably similar to the reason why Norway asked its people to come home from their countryside cabins - the health services in those locations wont cope.

Neighbour said that Radio Cornwall has had people calling in reporting that the A30 has loads of caravans and motorhomes coming into Cornwall. So spreading cv if they're coming from areas like London. Only one major hospital (which a friend said is already chaotic with only looking like just one cv case) and doubtless buying stuff up at supermarkets. Is what they said.
 
Telling people not to go to cafes and pubs seems a bit pointless when this is how the tube looked this morning.

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I have a friend who has to commute into the City and he keeps sending photos of empty carriages and saying how lonely commuting is at the moment. Maybe different lines are more busy but I do wonder whether this photo was taken this morning?
 
People who normally buy a two pack of bog rolls, or a small jar of coffee. He is looking after the people he sees every day.
Yep, this is happening in my Day1 corner shop. They are keeping stuff off the shelves after a bunch of people who never, ever shop there, suddenly appeared like a plague of locusts and tried to empty the shelves. Shan, the Sri Lankan owner, had to get his son and a passing local to restore order. These are middle class people (the smug Gwydir Street muesli belt who would never deign to use a shop like this...in fact who have campaigned vigorously to get his alcohol licence stripped because it brings the area into disrepute (while it is a lifeline on my estate). A lot of class differences, alongside a rabidly individualistic society are being laid bare on a daily basis.
 
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