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Kaka Tim said:

posted elsewhere - spells out clearly and in depth why the "mitigation" strategy is fatally flawed - and will kill huge numbers.
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I find his musings about the poorer countries a little surprising. Perhaps he is being polite or doesn't want to come across as judgmental or anything. It is pretty obvious why those countries have very low rates of infection and its because no one is testing or recording the deaths. Leaders have either stuck their heads in the sand or taken the cold (callous?) decision that they neither have the healthcare system or funds to do anything about it so they will just ride it out.
 
Chilli.s said:
Now that the shops have been stripped of food, a situation that could be seen coming at least a month ago yet was beyond the scope of the government to control. I'm wondering why there's no noise about commandeering all the facilities within the private health industry.
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I beginning to think the supermarkets are hot beds of infection. With so little food available people who are able to are making daily trips. Government should have fixed this a long time ago, its scarcely believable that they've still taken no action. Still, must shut down those village pubs with 2 people in them.
 
Teaboy said:
I beginning to think the supermarkets are hot beds of infection. With so little food available people who are able to are making daily trips. Government should have fixed this a long time ago, its scarcely believable that they've still taken no action. Still, must shut down those village pubs with 2 people in them.
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The close proximity of people, long queues, the picking up and putting down of items in my local Morrison’s y/day, like everywhere no doubt, was rather worrying.
 
Teaboy said:
I find his musings about the poorer countries a little surprising. Perhaps he is being polite or doesn't want to come across as judgmental or anything. It is pretty obvious why those countries have very low rates of infection and its because no one is testing or recording the deaths. Leaders have either stuck their heads in the sand or taken the cold (callous?) decision that they neither have the healthcare system or funds to do anything about it so they will just ride it out.
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Its a very interesting article with plenty of useful stuff in it, but I still have a few reservations. He talks about the '2 strains' stuff as if it is a simple fact, when its actually from a research paper that many people who work in that field were not at all impressed by. The media loved it because they love anything to do with mutations and different strains, even if the underlying reality is often so much more mundane. Many mutations are irrelevant to the factors we care about with viruses.
 
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Foxtons at their finest

Estate agent Foxtons told a tenant with coronavirus symptoms who was self-isolating to leave their home so potential buyers could view the property.

Despite NHS guidance that anyone who may be infected should stay at home, Foxtons told the tenant that potentially having the virus was not acceptable grounds to restrict access to their home for viewings.

“If you have coronavirus or have symptoms it cannot and indeed should not impact your landlord’s plans,” the company said in an undated email seen by The Independent.

“You can self-isolate anywhere, ie your boyfriend’s/parents/friends property, it does not need to be in [your own home],”

The message continued: “Your obligations as a tenant to allow access for sales/lettings viewings as per clause 11.2 of your tenancy agreement, which I’ve enclosed, are very clear.”
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www.independent.co.uk

Estate agent told suspected coronavirus sufferer to leave their home so buyers could view it

‘If you have coronavirus or have symptoms it cannot and indeed should not impact your landlord’s plans,’ estate agent tells tenant
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Well, this is shit

www.telegraph.co.uk

Exclusive: London hospital trust becomes first to admit it is turning away coronavirus patients

Lewisham and Greenwich NHS Trust has said it has transferred Covid-19 patients to neighbouring hospitals as demand for treatment surges
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Lewisham and Greenwich NHS Trust said it has transferred Covid-19 patients to neighbouring hospitals, as demand for lifesaving treatment surges.

A senior clinician at the trust revealed that at one stage on Tuesday only one patient had been admitted to intensive care out of an eligible group of five, although the trust insists all who have required ventilation have so far received it.

It came as the death toll from the disease rose most sharply in London, with 16 of the total 29 new fatalities in England coming from the capital.

There were three deaths at Lewisham and Greenwich, more than nearby larger trusts.

In the UK, 144 patients are now known to have died from the disease.

On Thursday night senior medical leaders warned that smaller hospitals would find it hard to cope and were already transferring patients to larger teaching counterparts.

Dr Simon Walsh, the British Medical Association for emergency care, said: “Most hospitals have already managed to double their critical care capacity but the worrying thing I am hearing is that some units around London are already filled to capacity and some are exceeding capacity.”

Becoming the latest senior medic to bemoan the lack of staff testing for Covid-19, he said that whilst the bigger departments might be able to absorb staff absences, specialist units and smaller hospitals are likely to suffer and he was aware of paediatric emergency departments were between 25 and 30 per cent the doctors were already self-isolating.

Meanwhile a government source said: "In London, the situation is already looking like one of the worst winters we could remember - elderly people needing ventilators and just not enough of them to go round.

“We were already under pressure, the situation is deteriorating pretty fast.”

Thursday's fresh coronavirus fatalities put the death rate in the UK higher than that of Italy.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, a clinical staff member centrally involved in the coronavirus response at Lewisham and Greenwich said the trust's A&E departments now resemble “Covid-19 waiting rooms”.

“We’re running out of beds and running out of space,” he said. “Some patients with Covid-19 are being shipped to other trusts.

“Managers are off sick with stress.”

At the daily Downing Street press conference, Professor Chris Whitty, the Chief Medical Officer for England, acknowledged the deteriorating situation in London.

He said the danger posed by the disease to patients’ respiratory systems means intensive care units would be the first to experience “real pressure”, adding that there will be a "lag" before the public's efforts to stem the spread of Covid-19 will result in a slowing of case numbers.

One London hospital trust has less than seven days’ worth of protective equipment left and has even had a store room broken into and with masks and other protection stolen, sources told the Telegraph .

A spokesman for Lewisham and Greenwich NHS Trust said claims that Covid-19 patients had not been properly ventilated were “categorically not true”.

“We have provided intensive care treatment to all Covid-19 patients who have needed it,” he said.

He also said all A&E services had not been disrupted.
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Thanks for that little legs. Was just about to post same, as I'd it heard from reliable sources (it's my local hospital).

Very concerning - beds were well over recommended capacity before this started.
 
We've had an Aunt die in Devon, 92 yrs old, remarkably not Covid19 related as there were 4 active cases in the Hospital she was in. Anyhow, my Sister down there has the pressure of trying to arrange a (Catholic) funeral down there under this terrible climate. We're searching for info at the mo, I came across this...


...and she has been told the Death Cert will take up to 10 days to arrive.

I've looked at the Emergency Act that went up yesterday, grim reading at times.
Anyone else going through this or seen any relevant info?

What a horrible year.
 
BCBlues said:
We've had an Aunt die in Devon, 92 yrs old, remarkably not Covid19 related as there were 4 active cases in the Hospital she was in. Anyhow, my Sister down there has the pressure of trying to arrange a (Catholic) funeral down there under this terrible climate. We're searching for info at the mo, I came across this...


...and she has been told the Death Cert will take up to 10 days to arrive.

I've looked at the Emergency Act that went up yesterday, grim reading at times.
Anyone else going through this or seen any relevant info?

What a horrible year.
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Sorry to hear about your Aunt. :(
 
I've now moved from frustrated about the total lack of testing being done in this country to furious about it. Its like they've made the decision that testing everyone will be impossible so we won't really bother with anyone.

I don't want to go into it too much but I'm pretty sure I've got it now. I live in London and have recently come back from SE Asia. I have a tick box exercise in the symptoms and I'm not someone who gets ill much, indeed I have never had flu in my adult life and any cold I get is minor. I live with my g/f who is now showing symptoms.

Thing is in a week or so we will be through this. A time which would coincide with her father having a operation to remove a cancerous lump on his bladder. He has been told he will need to be housebound for 12 weeks after the operation. Her mother doesn't have the tool kit to deal with a situation like this and doesn't really understand the concept of isolation. If we knew that we had both had the virus we would go and help, but no. You can get tested as easily as buying a big mac in some countries but in this country we're effectively banned from them.

We'll now have to sit at home and twiddle our thumbs from afar and hope he survives. Fucking wankers for throwing their hands and just saying 'it can't be done' with something so important as testing.
 
There's fucking kids everywhere. They've built some sort of shopping trolley sculpture in Sainsbury car park. I predict a permanent structure by May.
 
Guardian on London:

"The government was today actively discussing a new clampdown on London with pubs, cinemas and gyms possibly being ordered to close to stop the spread of the Covid-19 pandemic.
An announcement could be made within hours, after crisis planners became increasingly concerned that too many people were continuing to ignore social distancing advice, making the spread of the virus more likely.
The British capital is the target of tougher measures because it has the highest rate of infection and deaths so far. Debate within government is continuing about whether non-essential shops - that is those not selling food or medical supplies - would be included in the ban.
The government had been considering a formal ban on Thursday and was braced to announce it - but pulled back. Among senior government figures there is a deep reluctance to issue banning orders.
Officials believe they would have the power to order bans even without special emergency laws to address the pandemic.
Crisis planners and government advisers have been looking at a range of data, such as transport usage in the capital and hospital admissions, to assess if the pleas made on Monday for people to stay home were being heeded.
Continuing anecdotal evidence of people, especially younger Londoners, continuing to go to pubs despite repeated pleas has led to the government believing it may have no choice but to issue the ban..'

:rolleyes:
 
bimble said:
Guardian on London:

"The government was today actively discussing a new clampdown on London with pubs, cinemas and gyms possibly being ordered to close to stop the spread of the Covid-19 pandemic.
An announcement could be made within hours, after crisis planners became increasingly concerned that too many people were continuing to ignore social distancing advice, making the spread of the virus more likely.
The British capital is the target of tougher measures because it has the highest rate of infection and deaths so far. Debate within government is continuing about whether non-essential shops - that is those not selling food or medical supplies - would be included in the ban.
The government had been considering a formal ban on Thursday and was braced to announce it - but pulled back. Among senior government figures there is a deep reluctance to issue banning orders.
Officials believe they would have the power to order bans even without special emergency laws to address the pandemic.
Crisis planners and government advisers have been looking at a range of data, such as transport usage in the capital and hospital admissions, to assess if the pleas made on Monday for people to stay home were being heeded.
Continuing anecdotal evidence of people, especially younger Londoners, continuing to go to pubs despite repeated pleas has led to the government believing it may have no choice but to issue the ban..'

:rolleyes:
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If they resist such things today, and let a 'normal' weekend happen, then they should be held to account for their negligence.
 
Cornwall doesnt want people going on holiday there:

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It is important that everyone follows the advice laid out by the government to slow and stop the spread of this virus and do everything we can to support our essential public services, especially our NHS.

That includes avoiding non-essential travel.By anyone’s assessment a holiday at this time is not essential. So therefore, regrettably we are asking people not to come on holiday to Cornwall at this time.

We need to stop the spread of this virus and also need to protect our NHS and keep our supermarket shelves stocked. An influx of thousands of tourists in the coming weeks will put unnecessary pressure on our services.
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Probably similar to the reason why Norway asked its people to come home from their countryside cabins - the health services in those locations wont cope.
 
bimble said:
Guardian on London:

"The government was today actively discussing a new clampdown on London with pubs, cinemas and gyms possibly being ordered to close to stop the spread of the Covid-19 pandemic.
An announcement could be made within hours, after crisis planners became increasingly concerned that too many people were continuing to ignore social distancing advice, making the spread of the virus more likely.
The British capital is the target of tougher measures because it has the highest rate of infection and deaths so far. Debate within government is continuing about whether non-essential shops - that is those not selling food or medical supplies - would be included in the ban.
The government had been considering a formal ban on Thursday and was braced to announce it - but pulled back. Among senior government figures there is a deep reluctance to issue banning orders.
Officials believe they would have the power to order bans even without special emergency laws to address the pandemic.
Crisis planners and government advisers have been looking at a range of data, such as transport usage in the capital and hospital admissions, to assess if the pleas made on Monday for people to stay home were being heeded.
Continuing anecdotal evidence of people, especially younger Londoners, continuing to go to pubs despite repeated pleas has led to the government believing it may have no choice but to issue the ban..'

:rolleyes:
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But carry on crowding into virus riddled supermarkets on a daily basis because we can't be arsed to fix the food and essential supply problem.

Fantastic work.
 
elbows said:
Cornwall doesnt want people going on holiday there:

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Probably similar to the reason why Norway asked its people to come home from their countryside cabins - the health services in those locations wont cope.
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the housemates are saying that “the posh mob” are starting to rock up in north cornwall. A combination of london Virus numbers rising and schools out. People seem to want to isolate in their holiday home......

Cornwall was doing well numbers wise let’s see how it is effected by an exodus to the seaside

cornwall NHS is ducked, I spent 5 weeks door knocking pre election with the former Cornwall Health chief who painted a grim picture even before corona virus raised its head
 
I believe it is permitted to walk a dog but not take unnecessary journeys.

I wouldn't mind some fresh air and I believe I know a dog that I could borrow ..

:)
 
Hey guys, we have a place - accommodation in Cambridge, UK.

There's a dispute and there are a lot of rooms becoming available.

Managing agents disappear without deposits as well.

Regarding the situation with the Coronavirus and since the public transport in UK is very restricted, if you are stuck in Cambridge and don’t have a place to stay at the moment do contact us, we can accommodate up to 15 squatters for free.

Please spread the word, let's help somebody... 🙏
 
Ivana said:
Hey guys, we have a place - accommodation in Cambridge, UK.

There's a dispute and there are a lot of rooms becoming available.

Managing agents disappear without deposits as well.

Regarding the situation with the Coronavirus and since the public transport in UK is very restricted, if you are stuck in Cambridge and don’t have a place to stay at the moment do contact us, we can accommodate up to 15 squatters for free.

Please spread the word, let's help somebody... 🙏
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are you sure it's the right time to ask 15 strangers to move in with you?
 
Isle of Mann has its first confirmed case, plus one bloke arrested for failing to self-isolate as the local government imposes strict rules, including up to three months in jail and a penalty fine of up to £10,000.

Easy too to on such a small island.

www.cityam.com

Coronavirus: Man arrested on Isle of Man for failing to self-isolate - City AM

A 26-year-old man has been arrested on the Isle of Man for failing to self-isolate as the local govenrment imposes strict rules. The Manx government has demanded that anyone arriving on the island must quarantine themselves for a period of 14 days. The man arrested arrived yesterday via boat and...
www.cityam.com www.cityam.com
 
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