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Virus don't do politics
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Virus don't do politics
The British are breathtakingly stupid. God damn.
and they expect others to self isolate for four months ffs!
little_legs
Поехали!
This was not the only half marathon that took place this weekend, 2500 people completed Liverpool half marathon today.
Cid
Proper break this time
One of the strange ironies of this state of affairs is that the facepalm is now considered a possible transmission vector.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Why the fuck are they hurriedly trying to produce thousands of ventilators now rather than 4 weeks ago? They new this was coming.
Why was there no contingency for this already in place seeing as this type of pandemic has been recognised as a significant risk for decades.
They talk about vulnerable people self isolating but their is zero detail on how they are going to be supported.
I increasingly fearful of a social, economic and public health disaster that will leave many thousands dead, millions thrown into destiution and health and public services essentially collapsing under the strain.
Please someone reassure me im wrong but i dont think ive ever been more fearful of the future and less confident in the basic competance of those in charge.
Why was there no contingency for this already in place seeing as this type of pandemic has been recognised as a significant risk for decades.
They talk about vulnerable people self isolating but their is zero detail on how they are going to be supported.
I increasingly fearful of a social, economic and public health disaster that will leave many thousands dead, millions thrown into destiution and health and public services essentially collapsing under the strain.
Please someone reassure me im wrong but i dont think ive ever been more fearful of the future and less confident in the basic competance of those in charge.
magneze
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UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'
Exclusive: Public Health England document seen by Guardian says four in five ‘expected’ to contract virus
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
They are closing pubs in Ireland.
www.rte.ie
40 new cases of Covid-19 confirmed, pubs asked to close
Forty more cases of Covid-19 have been confirmed by the Department of Health, bringing the total number of cases in the Republic to 169.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Well this is pretty bleak - between 360k-500k deaths over initial infection period based on 80% contagion and 1% mortality rate
UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'
www.theguardian.com
UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'
UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'
Exclusive: Public Health England document seen by Guardian says four in five ‘expected’ to contract virus
2hats
Dust.
It doesn't.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Not even waiting til Wednesday?They are closing pubs in Ireland.
40 new cases of Covid-19 confirmed, pubs asked to close
Forty more cases of Covid-19 have been confirmed by the Department of Health, bringing the total number of cases in the Republic to 169.
maomao
普費斯
And all the other deaths from not having a functioning health system and the Tories just leaving us to starve.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
The opposite, cancelling Wednesday.Not even waiting til Wednesday?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
You mean Tuesday? Paddy's day? Wow
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Well this is pretty bleak - between 360k-500k deaths over initial infection period based on 80% contagion and 1% mortality rate
UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'
UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'
Exclusive: Public Health England document seen by Guardian says four in five ‘expected’ to contract virus
Yeah, just read that too. Absolutely fucking terrifying tbh. If that's true it's the end of how society is currently, especially if either re-infection is possible and/or it mutates into something more serious.
Fucking. Hell.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Innit. Had heard it as the worst case scenario, not as the likely one.
I did take some comfort from the comment about it ultimately becoming just another flu, something that does the rounds but which there is some inbuilt immunity to. Hope that's right.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
It's not a fucking flu. People need to wake the fuck up and take personal responsibilty. It mutates...of course the weakest in society will be the earliest victims...but that is not what it is. Wash, shower, don't share, don't cough or sneeze near anyone...if you think you might, don't put them in that situation by not putting yourself in that situation. There is no immunity, herd, otherwise or magic....that is not real. They didn't have science and social media in the old days...lock yourself the fuck up. Good luck.
twitter.com
How Patient 31's lack of social distancing led to an explosion of COVID-19 cases in South Korea
A resurfaced Reuters article detailed how a single patient's failure to self-isolate led to a massive surge in the number of coronavirus cases in South Korea.
twitter.com
Grace Johnson
i like dairylea dunkers
Well this is pretty bleak - between 360k-500k deaths over initial infection period based on 80% contagion and 1% mortality rate
UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'
UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'
Exclusive: Public Health England document seen by Guardian says four in five ‘expected’ to contract virus
Ffs. We are going to be lucky to have a 1 percent death rate. 1 percent on a lockdown and every resource we got aimed at keeping people alive OK yeah. Not here tho.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
It's not a fucking flu. People need to wake the fuck up and take personal responsibilty. It mutates...of course the weakest in society will be the earliest victims...but that is not what it is. Wash, shower, don't share, don't cough or sneeze near anyone...if you think you might, don't put them in that situation by not putting yourself in that situation. There is no immunity, herd, otherwise or magic....that is not real. They didn't have science and social media in the old days...lock yourself the fuck up. Good luck.
How Patient 31's lack of social distancing led to an explosion of COVID-19 cases in South Korea
A resurfaced Reuters article detailed how a single patient's failure to self-isolate led to a massive surge in the number of coronavirus cases in South Korea.
No, it's a coronavirus. Like lots of others that affect people, but which don't have a significant mortality rate because inevitably life, naturally and through medical intervention, adapts to viruses like viruses adapt and mutate to life. The issue is how long until we get to that point and how severe the effects are in the meantime. Don't be a dick, it's not helpful. Dick.
2hats
Dust.
Likely the CFR will turn out to be sub 1%. Some tenths.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
The minimal testing is ... baffling and surely completely the wrong approach.
My partner is a nurse in a care home. At least two people we have been in close contact with in the past week are now self isolating because they have flu like symptoms - cough, fever, aches etc. But they dont know if its corona because they cant get tested. She cant get tested. So she has no way of no knowing if she is should go to work - potentially infecting dozens of very vulnerable people - or stay home - putting strain on a vital support service quite probably for no good reason. I am sure their are huge numbers of people in this position.
The lack of comprehensive testing is insane - it deprives the public health system of vital information of how to plan and allocate resources to hot spots, map and contain outbreaks and ensure health staff are clear - and infected ones self isolate.
My partner is a nurse in a care home. At least two people we have been in close contact with in the past week are now self isolating because they have flu like symptoms - cough, fever, aches etc. But they dont know if its corona because they cant get tested. She cant get tested. So she has no way of no knowing if she is should go to work - potentially infecting dozens of very vulnerable people - or stay home - putting strain on a vital support service quite probably for no good reason. I am sure their are huge numbers of people in this position.
The lack of comprehensive testing is insane - it deprives the public health system of vital information of how to plan and allocate resources to hot spots, map and contain outbreaks and ensure health staff are clear - and infected ones self isolate.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Scotland is talking about its community testing program. Note that this is part of the sort of surveillance systems authorities use to track epidemics, rather than trying to track all cases, it is not the same as deciding to go back to testing all milder cases. Its a survey basically, sampling a small subset of the population over time.
Coronavirus: Scottish Covid-19 testing expanded to communities
Surveillance testing is extended but there is no routine testing of people with minor symptoms.
www.bbc.co.uk
We don't have the reagents to waste them on that. People need to take responsibility and if they might have it need to self isolate especially if symptomatic - as in the public health advice.
Even our sick hospitalised patients aren't getting tests turned around quickly enough to facilitate safe care currently. Those well enough to be in the community need to assume they have it and act accordingly. It would be great if we could rapidly test everyone as soon as a cough or a fever emerged (then in healthcare the non -coronavirus causes could be identified and those people brought back to work to keep helping). We also don't know the rate of false negatives yet. We do know that a less than vigorous swabbing in influenza can give a false negative, so with coronavirus we are doing four (two nasal and two throat)
how can you work out epidemiology, patterns, etc, without mass testing?
elbows
Well-Known Member
You rely on surveys, community sampling, which if done right (and there is plenty of experience of that because the same sort of things are done with flu etc) can demonstrate the bigger picture. Especially when combined with data from hospitals on the serious cases.
eg the stuff talked about in the Scotland article I just linked to a few post ago.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Telling people to take personal responsibility in the current situation is not being a dick.
Dismissing it...well I'll leave that to everyone else.
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