Boudicca
Seaside Queen
Didn't happen in my case. They did give a test for the virus but I was in theatre before the results came through.
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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elbows
Well-Known Member
Leicester lockdown easing being done in a way that generates fresh complaints. Since the mayor is still not happy with the whole lockdown business, they decided to stick the data they've received into their own document, which makes for an interesting mix of data I havent seen before and complaints.
The document: measuring-covid-19-in-leicester-15-july-2020.pdf
A news story about the easing and the ongoing issues. Government 'playing games' with Leicester lockdown
The document: measuring-covid-19-in-leicester-15-july-2020.pdf
A news story about the easing and the ongoing issues. Government 'playing games' with Leicester lockdown
BassJunkie
Clams on the half shell, and roller skates.
Thanks, I'm in Leicester so this is particularly interesting to me and until now I hadn't seen that document.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Just in case anyone has the belief that I am keeping an eye on everything pandemic related, maybe I should take this opportunity to say that I dont think I've watched a single Independent SAGE video at any stage. I am a better fit for long documents than long videos. Not that I've read any of their documents either, if they've published any.
I havent had much time for scientists or experts on twitter since February-March either. So be warned, there are some really large holes in my picture of things after the initial stages.
I havent had much time for scientists or experts on twitter since February-March either. So be warned, there are some really large holes in my picture of things after the initial stages.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
so rarely go shopping in supermarkets as i hate it
but went to the Local Tesco and they have removed all the social distancing measure and arrows around the building
and even opened up all the self services tills
is this not a bit premature before face masks are compulsory in shops..
it was like before lock down aside from around 40% of people wearing masks
hmm dodgy government advice can and will put people in danger
but went to the Local Tesco and they have removed all the social distancing measure and arrows around the building
and even opened up all the self services tills
is this not a bit premature before face masks are compulsory in shops..
it was like before lock down aside from around 40% of people wearing masks
hmm dodgy government advice can and will put people in danger
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
group hugs with masks from the 24th is the new normal
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
Masks on trains: not much sign of enforcement yesterday travelling around East Anglia. On the 7am to Norwich passengers were spacing themselves out among the seats but around half I saw pulled their masks down once the journey had begun, so they could chat and eat.
Some of the smaller stations east of Ely arent staffed or don't have ticket barriers and here a lot of younger people were getting straight on the train without a mask to begin with. It was a matter of individual preference. But at the terminus there was no attempt by staff to stop or even remonstrate with unmasked passengers going through the ticket barriers. Two stocky security guards stood by passively.
I spoke with a train guard coming off his shift. He sounded frustrated as he said the staff had been given no authority to do anything. All he had been asked to do was use the train's CCTV to count the number of non-wearers and forward this information to a manager.
I wasn't at all civic-minded in my teens so I can't feel animosity towards the young people breezing onto the train maskless and probably bunking the fare too. If my behaviour improved it was from being pulled up. Less generous towards older people who don't give a shit.
Some of the smaller stations east of Ely arent staffed or don't have ticket barriers and here a lot of younger people were getting straight on the train without a mask to begin with. It was a matter of individual preference. But at the terminus there was no attempt by staff to stop or even remonstrate with unmasked passengers going through the ticket barriers. Two stocky security guards stood by passively.
I spoke with a train guard coming off his shift. He sounded frustrated as he said the staff had been given no authority to do anything. All he had been asked to do was use the train's CCTV to count the number of non-wearers and forward this information to a manager.
I wasn't at all civic-minded in my teens so I can't feel animosity towards the young people breezing onto the train maskless and probably bunking the fare too. If my behaviour improved it was from being pulled up. Less generous towards older people who don't give a shit.
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Caution means mass return to work unlikely, say firms
Employers say they still need “crystal-clear official guidance” on safety.
www.bbc.co.uk
We’re at the point where businesses are actually less inclined than the government to sacrifice their employees’ health.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Caution means mass return to work unlikely, say firms
Employers say they still need “crystal-clear official guidance” on safety.www.bbc.co.uk
We’re at the point where businesses are actually less inclined than the government to sacrifice their employees’ health.
We were at that point in March, almost everyone had started locking down a week or even two before Boris officially said lockdown was a thing.
andysays
Love and solidarity
The purpose of encouraging everyone to wear masks is so that social distancing can be eased and/or abandoned, and that more "normal" economic activity like work and shopping can be resumed.
Not sure if this has been made explicit by the government, but that is clearly the reason for it
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
clicker
nanook rubs it....
A friend was referred for an mri scan on her knee, but was told yesterday over a phone consultation that clinics aren't opening up yet as the hospital anticipates a second wave. It is a London hospital and current figures are low.
The stories coming out now re the missed smear tests, delayed chemo and diagnostic surgery need to be front page.
This shite show of a year is far from over, despite the govt hell bent on putting bums on seats, whether that be in school, the office or the tube. Because they think we equate that with normality.
Things aren't going to be back to 'normal' until every missed appointment has been seen and every possible care has been afforded.
I think September will be a crunch point. Employers are going to be saying to parents how can you send your kids into a building with hundreds of kids and adults, yet you don't want to sit in an office with 50 people who understand social distancing?
Central London is definitely still kind of ghost towny. If only a third of workers are going into London daily, businesses that rely on them are going to fold...cafes/pubs/etc....and it's noticeable that mass tourism has taken a nosedive.
So Boris tells us to put on a mask and we're safe to go. It's reassuring that lots of people have zero faith in the govt keeping anyone safe. But when furlough ends it'll be messy. Hopefully non union bods will sign up pronto.
The stories coming out now re the missed smear tests, delayed chemo and diagnostic surgery need to be front page.
This shite show of a year is far from over, despite the govt hell bent on putting bums on seats, whether that be in school, the office or the tube. Because they think we equate that with normality.
Things aren't going to be back to 'normal' until every missed appointment has been seen and every possible care has been afforded.
I think September will be a crunch point. Employers are going to be saying to parents how can you send your kids into a building with hundreds of kids and adults, yet you don't want to sit in an office with 50 people who understand social distancing?
Central London is definitely still kind of ghost towny. If only a third of workers are going into London daily, businesses that rely on them are going to fold...cafes/pubs/etc....and it's noticeable that mass tourism has taken a nosedive.
So Boris tells us to put on a mask and we're safe to go. It's reassuring that lots of people have zero faith in the govt keeping anyone safe. But when furlough ends it'll be messy. Hopefully non union bods will sign up pronto.
prunus
Tick tock.
The type of misunderstanding that this is an exemplar of is depressingly common “if thing A is being allowed then surely thing B [which is similar risk] should be allowed” (often sadly followed by so I’m going to do it anyway).
This entirely misses the point that the risks (at an epidemiological level particularly, though individually as well) are cumulative (more than additive over time in fact due to the nature of exponential growth). We can safely allow thing A OR thing B, but not both. We then have to make a choice as to which to do, based on the benefits that will result.
In the putative scenario above it could well be that the benefits to the children of being schooled properly are greater than the overall benefits to society of forcing everyone back into their cubicles, especially where work can be done effectively from home.
Even if not, it’s not difficult to see that in this case thing B (everyone back to work) isn’t really possible without thing A (kids back in school) - if we can’t do both for risk mitigation reasons, then we can only do thing A.
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It's difficult. Of course I understand why they're having to do this but not actually seeing someone (and them seeing me) for 18 months or more doesn't seem great.
And I've an ongoing thing which is generally reasonably stable. I'm not sure how they can manage conditions that aren't properly.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
cannot say about every supermarket in the area but the close one to my job in west london had removed all the social distancing marks around the store
was weird in a kinda of way.. just got out of there as quickly as possible its in the borough of hounslow which they were saying had a higher R number that most area
of london not 2 weeks ago
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
So face-to-face appointments haven't gone completely at all. As a (very) rough guide the area I work in now (primary care that's mostly out of hours and in hours clinic work) has gone from maybe 90% face-to-face, 5% phone consultation, 5% re-direct to A&E to 90% phone consultation, 5% face-to-face, 5% re-direct to A&E. People that really need to be seen still get seen.
TBH quite a lot of people like it, both patients and HCPs. Be interesting to see research into outcomes longer term. If I was a betting person I'd put money on them not being significantly different either way. And I think lots of remote working is here to stay as well.
Other areas of the NHS are almost certainly different. I have no idea how chronic stuff is being managed for example, guess it varies on who's dealing with it and where, and like you say how stable and how much someone actually needs to be seen rather than just wants to be/is used to being.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I think that's bollocks tbh.
felixthecat
are we there yet?
This exactly echos my workplace (military&families primary care medical facility)
It shows how inefficient the all f2f system was - often a poor use of patient and clinician time.
I'm enjoying the new system
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I loved it when I did it - before the practice started doing it as standard, I just didn't want to break my shielding. I sent a letter with everything I wanted to cover (and there was a fair amount), my doctor phoned me and answered it all, whole conversation took ten minutes and I came out knowing that I'd not forgotten to ask anything.
baldrick
hmmmmm
From ten years ago? They're recruiting now for 2021 Census posts.
Surely the DWP have a database with everyone on it? Or HMRC? It seems a really odd choice to me to pick a credit reference agency to do ID checking and outsource something which would be done better in the public sector but that's this government all over isn't it. Never pass up an opportunity to give public money to a private company.
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