Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Vitamin K, I didn't know it went that high.
Thought it was like the musical scale, G sharp and that's yer lot.
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Thought it was like the musical scale, G sharp and that's yer lot.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Because plan A was shit, and was u-turned on after those events took place.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Some perspective on the numbers: everyone in this stadium would be dead.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
And the same 'experts' are the same ones who keep turning up to these briefings. Why don't they just import a German, a kiwi, an aussie, a Korean... anywhere where they seem to have it relatively under control. these people clearly didn't know what the fuck they were doing then so cannot be trusted to take us out of this lockdown competently.
Even I was astonished when they let that Liverpool game go ahead. Madrid was rapidly becoming overrun with the virus. Many liverpool fans did stay away for that very reason but the government gave it the green light. Astonishing.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Thanks. Hospitalisation & ICU data has a pretty good correlation with the total number of infections, the main problem with it is the lag of several weeks involved. Which means the trends we can see in it tell the story of infections some weeks ago, and if the infection trend started going in the wrong direction we would not see it in the hospital data for a while.
I wouldnt use the hospital numbers to make exact predictions about number of infected people, but it should be fine for judging the overall trends. Exceptions to this would be if there was, at some point in time, a change in what percentage of people who actually had Covid-19 ended up in hospital. We know that there have been many deaths at home in the UK so far, and I am not happy with that side of the picture. As more capacity in hospitals and for tests becomes available, I would like more precautionary approaches on this front to happen. But so far it is perhaps reasonably safe to assume that the hospitalisation rate, and related things such as people not seeking care, has been fairly constant over the period so far.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The problem was the orthodox approach, our capacity, and some of the political decisions. The old orthodox approach is dead, so I dont have quite the same concerns about future policy as I did about past ones. Well thats not exactly true, probably what I should say is that I need to judge each policy and the timing of them as they pop up, and right now there isnt much for me to judge. They started making the right noises about testing in recent weeks, and they didnt rush us out of lockdown at the first possible opportunity. The PPE scandal will continue, and there are a few other issues, but nothing on my future radar that I can rant about at this time.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Just on this, like others on here I remember posting that the UK government's initial woeful response was about neo-liberalism. brexit and getting a competitive advantage. That was an obvious point to make, but I've not seen anything from johnson till that clip that makes that case so starkly. Fwiw, my guess is there won't be a reckoning or significant changes towards some other/better form of governance at the end of all this. However, if there was to be, that clip would be Exhibit 1 for the prosecution.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
It also says in there that they're thinking about having passengers only board by the middle doors, where that's possible. Initially on trial on 12 routes.Dunno if this has been posted already. Free London bus travel.
Sadiq Khan announces free bus travel in London to protect drivers
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Hmmm. Three weeks ago, when it started being heavily urged that no one should be making non-essential journeys, the only place you could touch in was at the front, with the middle and back Oyster machines disabled (though the doors opened). I wanted to get on a 91 via the back door and had to go all the way to the driver to touch in. I wonder what the logic was behind it at the time?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Wouldn't it just.
Wow, even by this government's standards. This business secretary is an idiot.
Asked very specifically about HS2 and why we're still doing it while we're broke he just kept repeating the same totally unrelated bullshit about giving businesses help and then legged it.
Asked very specifically about HS2 and why we're still doing it while we're broke he just kept repeating the same totally unrelated bullshit about giving businesses help and then legged it.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Not an idiot; he's a psychopath.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
They were going to disable all-doors boarding on the New buses cos of fare evasion. It was being trialed on a few routesIt also says in there that they're thinking about having passengers only board by the middle doors, where that's possible. Initially on trial on 12 routes.
Hmmm. Three weeks ago, when it started being heavily urged that no one should be making non-essential journeys, the only place you could touch in was at the front, with the middle and back Oyster machines disabled (though the doors opened). I wanted to get on a 91 via the back door and had to go all the way to the driver to touch in. I wonder what the logic was behind it at the time?
My instinct so far, watching all these briefings, is that Rishi Sunak is the only one with any competence. The rest are, as you say, psychopaths or just plain idiots. Although some are both (Priti).
xsunnysuex
Life is a horizontal fall.
They stopped allowing people to tap in at the middle doors, because people weren't bothering to tap in. So were getting free travel. Tfl were loosing thousands .It also says in there that they're thinking about having passengers only board by the middle doors, where that's possible. Initially on trial on 12 routes.
Hmmm. Three weeks ago, when it started being heavily urged that no one should be making non-essential journeys, the only place you could touch in was at the front, with the middle and back Oyster machines disabled (though the doors opened). I wanted to get on a 91 via the back door and had to go all the way to the driver to touch in. I wonder what the logic was behind it at the time?
There won't be any oyster machines in the middle soon. They will be taking them all away.
Stay at home. Protect the NHS and save lives, ok?
Mind you, a lot of the questions are fucking daft. When can we go on holiday etc.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yeah, if I have to stop watching these briefings for my own sanity, it will be because of the questions as much as the non-answers.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
It's all about the exit strategy.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Casting any of the cabinet as idiots carries the risk of excusing their conscious ideological decisions.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
cfy
andysays
Love and solidarity
Yeah, I remember hearing announcements on the bus I normally took to work, after the virus had started to become an issue
"from next week, you will only be able to enter this bus through the front door"
Don't know if it was ever implemented on that route, because the next week I started bringing my work van home so I no longer had to travel on the bus.
(that was only four weeks ago, but it seems like another era now
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weltweit
Well-Known Member
And The Cheltenham Festival 300,000
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Yes he is a total idiot for not inventing HS2 policy on the fly in response to a pointless question from a hack at a press conference.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
HS2 policy is "this sector is a big contributor to the Tory party".
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Johnson went to a rugby match just before that, which was apparently instrumental in them going ahead with Cheltenham.
Cheltenham cited Boris Johnson's rugby outing as a reason for Festival go-ahead
The organisers of the Cheltenham Festival cited the presence of Boris Johnson at an England rugby match shortly before the meeting was due to begin in a letter explaining why it was going ahead
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
That seems an incredibly poor decision, to keep it going after social distancing was in place
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Cos Germany has had a plan from the start. Cos she isn't afraid of her lies and incompetence being exposed, because she hasn't lied and isn't incompetent. So she can just speak the truth as she understands it without having to constantly self-censor in case she says something that makes her look bad.
The alternative approach if you've fucked up is to do what Macron did the other day and admit that you fucked up. Once you've done that, again, you don't have to constantly self-censor in your answers.
Likelihood of honesty, competence or contrition coming from the UK government?
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
I thought so too, but on the other hand, if they ask and have that kind of thing answered specifically, then it would help people realise really clearly that it's too soon to plan anything for the summer.
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