mrs b sent me a group photo last night of her brother and his mates out at The Printworks last weekend, with a red circle round the heads of each member of the party who now has Covid: 30 people in the group, 20 red circles.
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Why are people still going out? What the suffering fuck is wrong with everyone?
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
To be fair I think last weekend the panic around omicron that we're now seeing hadn't quite set in. If people are going out this weekend I'd be more judgemental.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Differing value judgements, assessment of risk, loads of factors. I haven't been out really since this started (one pub meal, one restaurant) but I'm pretty sure at various times I've been overly-cautious.
Current situation seems to match my feelings though. It seems dangerous to go out now like it was still summer.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Damn..
My sister has just invited me to Xmas dinner - 4 generations - repeatedly exposed at school and work, crammed into a small space - given my lack of exposure to ANYTHING in nearly two years, I'm bound to say no.
My sister has just invited me to Xmas dinner - 4 generations - repeatedly exposed at school and work, crammed into a small space - given my lack of exposure to ANYTHING in nearly two years, I'm bound to say no.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Mrs SI is due to go to a wedding 22nd. I'm not going to ask her not to go but I think she's waiting on them to make some sort of decision.
Nice of her to invite you
and also easy enough to swerve it at the moment.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
You might be surprised. You're going to have to tell her something so might as well be the truth or some polite version of it.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Our usual post chrimble meal at the SiL's ...
I suspect that will be postponed, as was last year's.
The members of this household have been very, very cautious for the last couple of months - waiting for the booster itself, as we're all AZ'ers , and then the couple of weeks "activation" afterwards.
Just ready to come out into the world, again & blammmm !!
Omicron showed up.
So, we've gone back to being cautious. [in case you're wondering, everyone but me is already 70+ and we all have health issues, eg OH has asthma and only 1 & 3/4 lungs. I have low(ish) blood pressure, a heart murmur and a boat load of work-related stress ...]
Despite relatively low cases locally and extremely high vaccination rates, I'm still not taking any chances
I suspect that will be postponed, as was last year's.
The members of this household have been very, very cautious for the last couple of months - waiting for the booster itself, as we're all AZ'ers , and then the couple of weeks "activation" afterwards.
Just ready to come out into the world, again & blammmm !!
Omicron showed up.
So, we've gone back to being cautious. [in case you're wondering, everyone but me is already 70+ and we all have health issues, eg OH has asthma and only 1 & 3/4 lungs. I have low(ish) blood pressure, a heart murmur and a boat load of work-related stress ...]
Despite relatively low cases locally and extremely high vaccination rates, I'm still not taking any chances
editor
hiraethified
I haven't spoken to another human for over a week. I live alone. I'm triple jabbed. I will definitely be going to be a pub when my self isolation is over. I don't think that means there's anything wrong with me.
everyone from London is going home for christmas next week, so this shouldn't last much longer
judging by the posts I've seen from local pubs & venues the last few days, they aren't.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Lots definitely aren't. But some for sure are, probably partly because they haven't been told they can't or shouldn't. As per usual the messaging is as clear as fucking mud.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, there is a little part of me that thinks fuck it, let's just let it go now and have it, it all feels so close to being out of control anyway. (Don't bother telling me about XYZ of why this is a bad idea, I know why.)
I bet we get too little too late and some fucked up situation that's a mix of the bad side effects of restrictions with not enough of the good impact anyway. And given how transmissible it seems to be restrictions will have to be very strict I'd have thought?
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
Yep, he wouldn't even rule out increasing restrictions before Xmas, cobra meeting today too.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Round here it looks like “official” parties/gigs etc have gone, but everyone is still heading to the pub, “just in case we can’t soon”. It’s fucking madness, again.
l'Otters
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I think it means that your assessment of the level of risk both personal and societal is a bit lagging behind mine.
editor
hiraethified
I'm looking after my mental health as well as my physical health. I can't see how I can present any kind of meaningful risk to anyone given that I'm triple jabbed and will be coming out of a 10 day self isolation - and after doing three lateral flow tests before I step out of the door.
Been ill this week, thought I'd best get a test although my ex was similarly ill and tested negative.
Went to the walk in on Thursday. Did my own test. Friday this came.
Went down to the drive in test centre an hour later. Convinced I'm not doing the tests propelry so let the fella do it. He's a nice man, done them before.
Cancelled everything this weekend and sat about last few days waiting for the results, although I've taken cold and flu tablets and feel much better.
Just got this. FFS.
Went to the walk in on Thursday. Did my own test. Friday this came.
Went down to the drive in test centre an hour later. Convinced I'm not doing the tests propelry so let the fella do it. He's a nice man, done them before.
Cancelled everything this weekend and sat about last few days waiting for the results, although I've taken cold and flu tablets and feel much better.
Just got this. FFS.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Must be cool to know that you defy categorisation.
I'm feeling very special.
l'Otters
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yeah both those things need balancing.
the factors I'm weighing include
omicron was 80% of London's covid cases as of the 15th December
the doubling time for omicron is currently 1.8 days
reinfection is 5x higher than with delta
data on how much protection booster vaccines give us for omicron is yet to come in but the last figures I saw were 50-80%
London's ambulance service is already taking a kicking with the number of staff off work, so if anything does happen, the basic infrastructure is failing already
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
More seriously, that does suck, because you need to assume it is covid with that result. I assume LFTs were negative too. Quite weird.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I suppose there's a difference between a bunch of people sharing the same calculated risk in a pub, and my case where I'm basically saying I'm afraid I'll catch something off my family - and not just the covid and flu I've been vaccinated against - my Niece routinely posts about projectile vomiting viruses her 8 year old has brought home ...
I will be interested to see how my little brother reacts - since he got an OU science degree - I had to try to explain to my sister when I saw her that one heady day in the summer that the AZ vaccine was not mRNA... and as for my 85 year old Tory-voting mother - the 8 year old practically lives round there ...
I will be interested to see how my little brother reacts - since he got an OU science degree - I had to try to explain to my sister when I saw her that one heady day in the summer that the AZ vaccine was not mRNA... and as for my 85 year old Tory-voting mother - the 8 year old practically lives round there ...
elbows
Well-Known Member
I consider his response inevitable given two factors: His personality and the fact he has been having to deal with a never ending stream of utter bullshit and rancid politics for nearly two years.
I mention his personality because I recall an appearance before a committee soon after the first wave, when some of the expert advisors had started to positioning themselves defensively, even if that meant throwing each other under the bus. He got arsey about a question and called it incredibly facile or words to that effect.
I wont try to catalogue all the bullshit he has had to deal with, but I'm not surprised he gives such questions shorter shrift now than he may have been capable of at the start. Some questions that could charitably have been called fair near the start of the pandemic are really not once we've experienced a number of deadly waves. And the people repeatedly pushing such lines, and the politics behind such stuff, are a disgusting pandemic disgrace.
I've always been rude but even I was capable of explaining stuff with slightly less vitriol at the start of the pandemic than I am now. The pandemic scum have been told the answers to these things plenty of times before, but they carry on regardless. They arent interested in the truth, they ignore the fact we cannot find some way to magically bypass these issues and pretend the pandemic is over when it isnt. Fuck them and their deadly agendas. The likes of Whitty still welcome the opportunity to give an answer to a different sort of audience beyond the core scum who push such lies, bur clearly feel that they can still do that effectively by pointing out what idiotic bullshit politics is involved, rather than giving the benefit of the doubt to those who really dont deserve it. Other approaches may be required to reach some people, but someone else with infinite patience can try that, there is a place for those who will shame and call-out the hideous agendas and inversions of reality. To my eyes Whitty is more effective when he is blunt.
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