Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Raheem
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Sorry, didn't want to depress anyone. A big part of people's anger at the moment, though, is that complying with the rules wasn't in any way optional for a lot of people, and it meant enormous sacrifices for some. A lot people do know or are aware of people who spent a long time in residential care, hospital or hospices without contact from their families.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Looks like a proper lockdown is coming.
www.independent.co.uk
I don't know why they just don't get on with it.
UK Covid cases and deaths drop as isolation cut to 5 days – as it happened
Daily figures slump after Christmas and new year highs: follow updates below
www.independent.co.uk
I don't know why they just don't get on with it.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Looks like a proper lockdown is coming.
UK Covid cases and deaths drop as isolation cut to 5 days – as it happened
Daily figures slump after Christmas and new year highs: follow updates below
I don't know why they just don't get on with it.
Because....
<drum roll>
...they want to save Christmas.
I have got to say, I'd be pretty pissed off if they do another complete household mixing ban, in which (triple-vaccinated) non-cohabiting partners are not supposed to see each other, after encouraging months and months of superspreading amongst as many households possible 
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
This is the thing isn't it. It didn't have to get this bad. Fucking idiots.I have got to say, I'd be pretty pissed off if they do another complete household mixing ban, in which (triple-vaccinated) non-cohabiting partners are not supposed to see each other, after encouraging months and months of superspreading amongst as many households possible
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Friend who works in an ambulance trust which will remain nameless has had a series of emails advising all attendees to all the Xmas parties to test daily as lots of covid positive people are starting to emerge...
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I know I shouldn't listen to talk radio but jeez there's some thick cunts out there. Still repeating the 10 people in hospital with omicron line, ghouls like John Redwood still saying 'wait and see' and people still saying 'ooh it's mass hysteria I don't wear a mask' still... 2 years in... 
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Do it every four years too, like the world cup. Makes it more interesting that way.
I know!
And, maybe such simple things as mask-wearing not just in customer facing roles, but in all workplaces, and - call me crazy - a very clear message to not go to work or socialise with any cold symptoms of any kind!!!
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
That's far too logical, especially with there being as many thick cunts in power as there are in the general public.I know!
I do wonder how effective of infection etc. that kind of behavior would have been. For a strategy that costs pretty much fuck all it seems like a best bet as a support for everything else.
Hollis
bloody furious
In the absence of government guidance, they've been quite effective in shifting decision-making back onto the individual.
I understand there's a public health risk from NHS getting overwhelmed.
What I currently don't have a sense of is the individual risk of contracting omicron, and then the consequences of that if you have two jabs and a booster (by age). Its really difficult to make any meaningful decisions about what to do over Christmas other than 'gut feel'. Notably even Neil Ferguson wouldn't say this morning when asked whether or not he was going to visit relatives over Xmas.. I get the impression if it was left to the scientists we'd probably be in full lockdown now. I have no confidence, currently, in what the politicians are saying.
I understand there's a public health risk from NHS getting overwhelmed.
What I currently don't have a sense of is the individual risk of contracting omicron, and then the consequences of that if you have two jabs and a booster (by age). Its really difficult to make any meaningful decisions about what to do over Christmas other than 'gut feel'. Notably even Neil Ferguson wouldn't say this morning when asked whether or not he was going to visit relatives over Xmas.. I get the impression if it was left to the scientists we'd probably be in full lockdown now. I have no confidence, currently, in what the politicians are saying.
In a way, maybe not much - it seems that the main driver right now is not so much in workplaces themselves (although it might have been, if people hadn't always carried on wfh to a significant extent), but (aside from schools) in parties and indoor hospitality in general, as evidenced by the numerous reports from people where large numbers of the same group are testing positive after a night out. :/
But yes, given as you say that it would be a very low cost measure more mask wearing could possibly have helped somewhat, and I am fairly certain that the narrow casting of "covid" symptoms has contributed to a lot of spread. Even right at the start of the pandemic, it was pretty clear that the Big Three symptoms were insufficient, and it's become clearer still over time, and with the new variants.
Wrt the effectiveness of any single measure, in German communication around this the "Swiss cheese" image has often been used - any single measure can have some effect, but has got a hole in it, but if you line up each imperfect measure behind each other, you get a pretty solid block.
l'Otters
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Came here to post something similar ish.
Somewhere last night I read some %’s on protection against illness from omicron with different vaccines. It was all with the caveat that the figures were arrived at from comparing people’s blood, not real world infection, & what actually happens will become apparent over the next month.
Those figures were iirc ~20% for two doses of astrazeneca. And ~55%-80% for 2x astrazeneca plus mRNA type booster.
Can’t find where I read that.
But doing a general internet search for ‘omicron vaccine protection booster’ brings up umpteen recent news articles with such wildly varying % figures, my own conclusion is we just don’t have that info right now.
Anyone got anything more solid than my half remembered figures with no references?
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Its been interesting (via housemates) to see the accuracy of the LFT's.
If there is a line, no matter how feint, its highly likely you have it. It then proceeds to become progressively more red to look the same as the control line when you are properly sick.
Then fades away back to a very hard to see yellow line when you feel fine but still isolating.
This was from one housemate that has fully recovered.
Zoom
I still test negative.
If there is a line, no matter how feint, its highly likely you have it. It then proceeds to become progressively more red to look the same as the control line when you are properly sick.
Then fades away back to a very hard to see yellow line when you feel fine but still isolating.
This was from one housemate that has fully recovered.
Zoom
I still test negative.
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Supine
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That red line is a strip of antibodies that change colour when they activate against covid. So yeah, the more you have the redder it gets
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
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platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
No, we’ve already established over the last two years that it’s fine for unvaccinated people to protest outdoors when prevalence is high or during lockdowns. It’s not ok to backtrack on that just because you don’t like what they are protesting about.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I suspect the implication is that they have travelled from all over and may well be availing themselves of public transport and hospitality ...
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
How did they get there? Teleportation?
prunus
Tick tock.
Certainly is. That would count as a positive requiring PCR test I believe.
elbows
Well-Known Member
They are probably still trying to make a tired point about double-standards in regards things like BLM protests.
The temptation for me is to complicate such things by saying that the season needs to be taken into account, and the hugely increased transmissibility of recent variants is also a factor people could use to dampen down accusations of double-standards.
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