Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[cupid_stunt]

Not clear on when it's being brought in, but I understand the PCR has to be done BY day two. So you could do it as soon as you get home and hopefully be released a little earlier

PCR tests are not being introduced until discussions with the other 3 UK states are completed, Javid has said Tuesday at the earliest, so Glitter should be fine coming back tomorrow.

 

[Raheem]

I get the feeling we weren't grateful enough for the searing brilliance of earlier lockdowns.

 

[2hats]

Not clear on when it's being brought in, but I understand the PCR has to be done BY day two. So you could do it as soon as you get home and hopefully be released a little earlier

0400 Tuesday (30 Nov).

 

[teqniq]

Astonishing, appalling... again. Things like yes to masks in shops and transport but not in leisure settings... just bizarre. Maybe it's ideological, maybe it's the mythical 'balance' they are always on about, but it's also just fucking stupid. We know full well that masks work and that keeping them on in pubs and elsewhere is hardly an inconvenience... but no. It's as if the government have adopted boris johnson own level of stupidity where he wears a mask but then pulls it down or refuses to wear one in a fucking hospital. They are somehow stuck in some odd place where, along with their bigger long terms fuck ups, something stops them using common sense. There really is a sense that British politics has become configured in such a way that government won't do a thing that attracts public support - mask wearing - that has little cost and saves lives. They genuinely prefer death.

I think it's in part idealogical. they don't want to be seen to be doing anything that may hurt the economy and by extension, capital also a substantial number of their current supporters are complete libertarian headbangers and they don't wish to alienate them.

 

[LDC]

I think it's in part idealogical. they don't want to be seen to be doing anything that may hurt the economy and by extension, capital also a substantial number of their current supporters are complete libertarian headbangers and they don't wish to alienate them.

kabbes wrote something good on this somewhere on here. It's highly ideological, not at all solely financial.

E2A, here it is:

My ethnographic research embedded into the higher tiers of capital (aka having a job that forces me into contact with rich people) reveals that there is a massively strong ideological opposition to home working.

You (generic you) might think that’s to do with owning office buildings or shares in Pret or some other principle based on money-generation. It’s not, though. These people own everything anyway, their assets can ride over a speed bump of social change like they’re in a HumVee. It’s to do with power. They like being able to look down from the top and seeing all the people they own. They like wandering down from a big office and feeling the thrum of the machinery that keeps them being important.

 

[teqniq]

Oh FFS:

 

[platinumsage]

Oh FFS:

He's comparing different tests.

Best to stay off certain corners of twitter I find.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I think it's in part idealogical. they don't want to be seen to be doing anything that may hurt the economy and by extension, capital also a substantial number of their current supporters are complete libertarian headbangers and they don't wish to alienate them.

Which is crazy because the vast majority of business didn't want anything to do with brexit.

 

[Chilli.s]

it's the mythical 'balance' they are always on about

The balance between people who have to work and those with more flexibility in their circumstances.

 

[Wilf]

I think it's in part idealogical. they don't want to be seen to be doing anything that may hurt the economy and by extension, capital also a substantial number of their current supporters are complete libertarian headbangers and they don't wish to alienate them.

Even johnson isn't quite so stupid that he can't keep a mask on his face as he walks down a hospital corridor (I think). Not wearing a mask or pulling it down seems performative perhaps, it's a signal that he doesn't want to believe the scientists about the best way to avoid horrible deaths. Neo liberalism and croney capitalism are going strong even if we didn't manage to 'biff the virus'. Maybe performative is a bit too grand, perhaps it's just their core personality and beliefs leaking into the world, the public health version of trying to say something sincere whilst bursting into laughter.

 

[8ball]

The mask business is a nudge and a wink to the anti-vaxxers. Johnson knows people who care about whether he wears a mask in a hospital are unlikely to vote for him anyway.

 

[Wilf]

The mask business is a nudge and a wink to the anti-vaxxers. Johnson knows people who care about whether he wears a mask in a hospital are unlikely to vote for him anyway.

Maybe at some level, though the anti-vaxx loons are not much of a constituency to chase. Feels to me like this is the residue of bullish get-brexit-done neloliberalism, both an ideological thing and also a braying poshboy thing. There was a clip of Johnson saying they weren't going to be put off by 'some corona virus' early on that didn't age well beyond the following week even. They've had to accept something that goes against all their political instincts, to the point that johnson's, literal, body language shows that is the case. More to the point though, that's also lead to every action being half hearted, late with them even unwilling to do simple cheap things that save lives, masks in particular. You can call it performative or even double think in action, but it's really the sneering teenage finally forced to wash up who wanders off after breaking three cups. Total UK Covid deaths = 167,927.

 

[Supine]

Work travel ban just announced. Looks like this company are locking down ahead of any government advice.

 

[StoneRoad]

That twat's maskless walk, accompanied by the "director of nursing", in the hospital was at a place very local to me [the market town to my large village].
It didn't go down well with a lot of people, despite the area being very tory.
It has a lot of vulnerable / elderly folk.
Fortunately, that also translates into over 90% first dose vaccinations.
And, when I was there for my booster, the hub was doing a very brisk trade [several hundred were expected that day].
Most of the cases locally are in school age kids and their parents.

What will happen when Omicron gets here, I don't know; but I'm sort of dreading it, despite [hopefully] having good protection from vaccination.

 

[cupid_stunt]

What will happen when Omicron gets here...

It's already here.

 

[StoneRoad]

It's already here.

I know, I meant in my local area.

We got off quite lightly in terms of % cases, in both the Original and initial Alpha waves, but not for the January 2021 Alpha nor for the Delta waves. Thankfully, the death rate locally has always been quite low.
Although the Delta case rate looks like it is now dropping back somewhat in this tiny area.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Have seen a grand total of two students and two staff wearing masks in communal areas at college so far. Zero edicts from SMT or health and safety. Two members of my team saying "it says strongly recommend, not it's mandatory so I'm not bothering"

 

[Miss-Shelf]

I wonder if more students will wear masks now? I've been continuing to wear mine all term most of the time in an effort to reinforce the idea that the pandemic hadn't gone away. Feeling a bit stupid but carried on anyway despite only 1 or 2 students in each class wearing masks even when I took in a range of coloured masks to each class and asked them to take one.

I'm working off site today but I'm not sure if there will be any difference. There hasn't been an email about it yet [surprisingly]

Have seen a grand total of two students and two staff wearing masks in communal areas at college so far. Zero edicts from SMT or health and safety. Two members of my team saying "it says strongly recommend, not it's mandatory so I'm not bothering"

 

[brogdale]

Have seen a grand total of two students and two staff wearing masks in communal areas at college so far. Zero edicts from SMT or health and safety. Two members of my team saying "it says strongly recommend, not it's mandatory so I'm not bothering"

A microcosm of Johnson's country.

 

[Wilf]

I wonder if more students will wear masks now? I've been continuing to wear mine all term most of the time in an effort to reinforce the idea that the pandemic hadn't gone away. Feeling a bit stupid but carried on anyway despite only 1 or 2 students in each class wearing masks even when I took in a range of coloured masks to each class and asked them to take one.

I'm working off site today but I'm not sure if there will be any difference. There hasn't been an email about it yet [surprisingly]

My university has just announced masks to be worn in communal areas only. The usual lack of leadership, from government and from local institutions.

 

[Steel Icarus]

My university has just announced masks to be worn in communal areas only. The usual lack of leadership, from government and from local institutions.

My college has also announced this for all staff from today - principal giving out masks in reception - but we're to encourage students over the next few days

 

[Wilf]

My college has also announced this for all staff from today - principal giving out masks in reception - but we're to encourage students over the next few days

Fucks sake. Not surprising though when boris johnson can't be bothered wearing one when he walks down a hospital corridor.

 

[StoneRoad]

Fucks sake. Not surprising though when boris johnson can't be bothered wearing one when he walks down a hospital corridor.

Not to mention that de piffle was accompanied by the trust's "director of nursing"

[FYI that corridor was in the hospital for the local market town, just about 20 miles away ...]

 

[Carvaged]

More braindead mismanagement and waste of taxpayer money by the Tories. They seem uniquely incapable of planning and foresight:

Flagship UK vaccine manufacturing centre put up for sale​

Companies submit bids for plant that has received £200m of government funding

Flagship UK vaccine manufacturing centre put up for sale

Companies submit bids for plant that has received £200m of government funding

www.ft.com

 

[platinumsage]

More braindead mismanagement and waste of taxpayer money by the Tories. They seem uniquely incapable of planning and foresight:

Flagship UK vaccine manufacturing centre put up for sale

Companies submit bids for plant that has received £200m of government funding

www.ft.com

Makes sense to me, it was commenced in 2018 but the current pandemic has shown that what matters is having domestic facilities, not state-operated facilities.

 

[_Russ_]

Am I right to think that only a small proportion of positive PCR tests go for genomic testing?, if we knew what that proportion was then we could make a judgement on how many cases of Omicron variant we currently have, no doubt its orders of magnitude higher a number than the 9 so far detected.

Does anyone have any idea what the genomic testing proportion is or even how many of these tests are made daily?

 

[elbows]

Am I right to think that only a small proportion of positive PCR tests go for genomic testing?, if we knew what that proportion was then we could make a judgement on how many cases of Omicron variant we currently have, no doubt its orders of magnitude higher a number than the 9 so far detected.

Does anyone have any idea what the genomic testing proportion is or even how many of these tests are made daily?

You also have to account for what proportion of people get PCR tested at all, and various kinds of lag. They also fiddle around with what sort of samples are prioritised for genomic testing, eg those from travellers, different regions etc.

It changes over time. One of the reasons it would have been better to keep overall case numbers down would be to be able to genomically sequence a high proportion of cases. Since we had a resurgence in case numbers months ago, the percentages dropped a lot from quite a high level.

Graphs such as the following provide some guide, but due to lag and other holes in the system I still wouldnt like to estimate likely number of Omicron cases. And the graph is rather dominated by the fact that percentage sequenced plummets when cases/number of tests in total rises.



From https://assets.publishing.service.g...al_Briefing_29_published_26_November_2021.pdf

 

[elbows]

The Van-Tam, JCVI, MHRA 3pm briefing is likely to be quite boring but I'll probably stick it on in the background anyway.

 

[editor]

Arsehole.

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[existentialist]

What a vile woman

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