Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
there will be fuck all stock in the shops because Brexit anyway, maybe they’re wanting a pre-Christmas lockdown so nobody notices…
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Yea, there is supposed to be loads to go round, I think its just that they started the the 12year+ schoolkids jagging at the same time and are prioritising that whilst still doing teens and second doses...... lack of personnel would be my guess, I just dont believe its much to do with 3rd jag reluctance
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Some of us aren’t having the booster (or third regular shot for me as I’m immunocompromised) and cancelled our appointments because we got Covid. Not sure how long I have to wait after infection before going for the jab, happy to let others jump the queue while I presumably have some natural immunity.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Oh, they get it all right. But they're starting from their agenda, and are happy to bend the science to suit what they feel they need to do. It should be criminal.
See also: policy on Covid amongst children in schools.
bimble
floofy
Statement from the BMA today, not mincing its words, calls the government 'wilfully negligent'.
www.bma.org.uk
‘Incredibly concerning’ that Government is not taking more action to protect public against Covid, warns BMA - BMA media centre - BMA
Press release from the BMA
www.bma.org.uk
ska invita
back on the other side
still hopefully there'll be an inquiry in 18 months time from which some lessons might be learnedStatement from the BMA today, not mincing its words, calls the government 'wilfully negligent'.
‘Incredibly concerning’ that Government is not taking more action to protect public against Covid, warns BMA - BMA media centre - BMA
Press release from the BMA
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
We'll be lucky if it's as soon as 18 months.
And "lessons will be learned". They always are. Mostly about more efficient ways to find a scapegoat, so that they don't actually have to accept any responsibility for themselves. It'll be a whitewash.
ska invita
back on the other side
i was being sarcastic in that theres just been an inquiry, the results of which were they didnt act fast enough
Government’s early Covid response ‘amounted in practice’ to herd immunity, MPs say
Inquiry led by two House of Commons select committees condemns government for catalogue of delayed decisions and errors that resulted in tens of thousands of preventable UK deaths
www.independent.co.uk
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Statement from the BMA today, not mincing its words, calls the government 'wilfully negligent'.
‘Incredibly concerning’ that Government is not taking more action to protect public against Covid, warns BMA - BMA media centre - BMA
Press release from the BMA
It will be too little, too late again for sure.
I think here in Scotland we're a little bit stricter on some stuff than England, but not sure we'll do that much better.
Cloo
Banana for scale
The Plan B, sticking plaster as it is, of masks and recommending wfh is practically zero cost in the scheme of things, but they won't do even that. All the evidence is that fucking no one will wear masks in large gathering places unless mandated and now the government has fucked it not many will even if mandated, but there you go.
ska invita
back on the other side
....the banker ex Chancellor of the Exchequer is now health secretary...and so it goes....
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
My Bold...I agree, its still mandated inside shops etc in Wales and every day fewer and fewer are wearing them including staff. Nothing is policed or enforced anyway, it never was
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Just petty, venal idiots for the most part. Not that that makes much difference to the consequences, namely suffering and death on a scale usually reserved for genocidal maniacs.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
It'll probably be an annual jab, like the flu one, and a fairly good chance they'll be combined into one, at some point.
smmudge
i know the smudge is true
My question really is, are jabs alone enough? We seem to be miles off only having to give booster jabs once a year to the vulnerable to keep it under control.
If we can't just jab our way out (which is looking more and more likely as case and hospital numbers rise), what next for the govt? That is literally their only basket and I can't imagine anything else so far that will be more important to dig their heels in and bury their heads in the sand about.
Bleak
3 metaphors in one sentence, I need a lie down....
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Vaccination is definitely not enough. We have to be grateful for small mercies that the Tories over-sold the vaccine .
I arrived home from my two hour bike ride just as the local primary school was emptying along a narrow path - children, parents and grand-parents - no masks, no social-distancing.
I stood back, but lots of people squeezed through.
It was outside and windy, so when it got too crowded again, I held my breath and turned my back as they passed.
I should have put on my mask - not least as a statement - it was the most potential exposure I've had in a long time.
I suppose at some point there's resignation - their children, after all are mixing during the day ...
Two different worlds.
I am in the fortunate position that if I wanted I could lock myself in my house for ever by ordering my groceries online, while most people do not have that luxury.
Unless there is an official lockdown before the end of the year, I predict I will be faced with quite likely refusing an invitation from my sister for a meal over the hostilities where there will be four generations present from 8 to 85 ... I know for a fact based on what they've said, that few if any of my family possess even the scant understanding of vaccination and infection that I do and my sister and 85-year old mother are full-on believers in the shite the government tells them.
I arrived home from my two hour bike ride just as the local primary school was emptying along a narrow path - children, parents and grand-parents - no masks, no social-distancing.
I stood back, but lots of people squeezed through.
It was outside and windy, so when it got too crowded again, I held my breath and turned my back as they passed.
I should have put on my mask - not least as a statement - it was the most potential exposure I've had in a long time.
I suppose at some point there's resignation - their children, after all are mixing during the day ...
Two different worlds.
I am in the fortunate position that if I wanted I could lock myself in my house for ever by ordering my groceries online, while most people do not have that luxury.
Unless there is an official lockdown before the end of the year, I predict I will be faced with quite likely refusing an invitation from my sister for a meal over the hostilities where there will be four generations present from 8 to 85 ... I know for a fact based on what they've said, that few if any of my family possess even the scant understanding of vaccination and infection that I do and my sister and 85-year old mother are full-on believers in the shite the government tells them.
andysays
Love and solidarity
The government are certainly guilty of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.My question really is, are jabs alone enough? We seem to be miles off only having to give booster jabs once a year to the vulnerable to keep it under control.
If we can't just jab our way out (which is looking more and more likely as case and hospital numbers rise), what next for the govt? That is literally their only basket and I can't imagine anything else so far that will be more important to dig their heels in and bury their heads in the sand about.
Bleak
3 metaphors in one sentence, I need a lie down....
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The shut the door while the horse was resting, shot it and sold it for dog food, then denied there ever was a horse, and anyway it was your grandmother's fault for not cleaning the stable out properly.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I just thank fuck we have the vaccines. Early on it wasn't a sure thing we would, and can you imagine if none had been sorted? We'd be on fuck knows how many dead, and it'd still be ongoing. Horrendous to think about.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm (more than) happy to join in condemnations of government as a bunch of murderous shitcunts. A tidal wave of unnecessary death last year, with continuing awful performance right through to the present.
But from their perspective, how would they describe their strategy? 6 weeks ago it felt like 'neo-herd immunity' was where they were at, with javid pushing a bullish line. Now? 'We've got to live with the virus... hope the booster sorts shit out... business as usual... masks and social distancing would look like failure... squint at the hospitalisation figures... but know they can do some sort of u-turn in November as Labour are shit'. It's not an actual strategy so much as an ideology. Am I missing something?
But from their perspective, how would they describe their strategy? 6 weeks ago it felt like 'neo-herd immunity' was where they were at, with javid pushing a bullish line. Now? 'We've got to live with the virus... hope the booster sorts shit out... business as usual... masks and social distancing would look like failure... squint at the hospitalisation figures... but know they can do some sort of u-turn in November as Labour are shit'. It's not an actual strategy so much as an ideology. Am I missing something?
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
It's also about what's popular with the public. I suspect a huge chunk of the public don't really want more restrictions and are willing to ignore deaths/the pressure on the NHS until it directly affects them. Nicola Sturgeon gets a huge amount of abuse for going further than Westminster.
ska invita
back on the other side
yeah this + dreams of herd immunity
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Why have we not done short very strict lockdowns in the UK? Some countries do a few days or a week of very restrictive stuff, and it breaks the chain on infection quickly? I mean partly a rhetorical question, but seems like something that has a place, why not here? Ideology, actual effectiveness, something else?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I think there's certainly a political calculation about disruption, as you say. They are calculating that the impact of Covid on most people will be minimal, in terms of actual symptoms and disruption to lives (thus their attempts to dislodge the pingdemic). Then there are those who become seriously ill and their families, a relatively small group. Somehow, the two groups are separating out, for practical purposes and political. That starts to break down if the NHS is overwhelmed, so that's the thing that are watching. Imagine that, the NHS getting overwhelmed becoming a political/strategic crisis as opposed to significant human suffering.
Because Pret. Or some such shit.
I mean for the last week or two it's certainly felt like we're going to end up back in lockdown at some point. I just wish they'd get on with it tbh. (Or at least reimpose mask wearing, wfh etc in the meantime.)
Ms Ordinary
randompointlesschemistry
Not sure if I imagined it (I travel at different times of day / week so not sure if I'm comparing like with like) - but I had to take the tube at rush hour yesterday and at least 75% of people were wearing masks, which I haven't seen for ages.
(Tube was at pre-pandemic crush levels, which it has been for a while)
It could just be that people 'forced' to travel for work are much more likely to wear masks, than people travelling for leisure & socialising.
(Tube was at pre-pandemic crush levels, which it has been for a while)
It could just be that people 'forced' to travel for work are much more likely to wear masks, than people travelling for leisure & socialising.
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