Sigh. Maybe you think everyone has to have "an agenda," but that's not the case. Interesting that you think like that though.
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Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Sigh. Maybe you think everyone has to have "an agenda," but that's not the case. Interesting that you think like that though.
There's always the easier option of you not giving Urbans the impression (justified-looking!), that you do have an agenda, mind!
Give that a try! You never know, you might like it
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Cautious but optimistic. Every cell in my body has had enough of lockdowns. Can you IMAGINE we get to say August and we go back to square one. It truly doesn't bare thinking about. Due to personal reasons and covid, my life has been shot through with uncertainty and I'm just looking forward to (foolishly) feeling like I'm on solid ground again.
editor
hiraethified
Or they could just be a bunch of chancers who are more than happy to potentially seriously endanger the health and lives of everyone around them. There is simply no excuse for trying to cheat a test so that you can go into work and infect your fellow workers and their families.
nyxx
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Apprehensive
Also putting me and my staff at risk
I made them sanitise the entire building despite it being very Covid-19 secure.
Personally I would have reported them but the official line is that track and trace are responsible. Usually we have a tight ship and anyone who has symptoms is given self test kits and turned away.
We are now moving more toward distribution of home test kits. It is staggering how little knowledge and/or misinformation is out there
but getting people testing to protect their families with the upcoming lockdown easing is vital. Last Saturday I gave out 1,180 self test kits in Luton Mall. There are 7 tests in a kit so 8,260 tests made available. Also dropped kits into all retail businesses in the town with instructions for the managers to 'protect their staff, customers and businesses' with regular testing.
Meeting people in the Mall is an eye opener. Managed to dispel a lot of 'myths' and convince people to get vaccinated. It is a fairly informal approach but seems to work. Next stage is to get testing kits distributed to hostels and food banks as marginalised people are (as expected) less likely to have time for testing.
L
We have funding from central government. Whilst there is no magic money tree
it does seem that this project will run past it's initial remit (end of June) and we hope will be rolled out to other areas with low vaccination uptake. There has been very little 'denier' interaction so far. One of my favourites was Saturday...
Me: Good morning sir, would you like some home test kits for Covid-19?
Cunt: A lot of my friends are nurses and have told me that these tests are carcinogenic and the virus is made up.
Me: That is incorrect sir and you should be wary of fake news from friends. Listen to NHS advice.
Cunt: The NHS are in on this fraud and...
Me: I will stop you there sir. We deal in science not fantasy so if you want to protect yourself...
Cunt: No, this is carcinogenic..
Me: BEGONE AND STOP WASTING MY TIME!
Cunt: But there is...
Me: LEAVE NOW SIR!
Cunt runs away
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
ONS data on deaths in care homes released today:
Deaths involving COVID-19 in the care sector, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics
Looking like around 29k excess deaths (compared to 5 year mean) with 42k mentioning Covid.
Deaths involving COVID-19 in the care sector, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics
Looking like around 29k excess deaths (compared to 5 year mean) with 42k mentioning Covid.
And covid passports are go.
Inside the NHS app, not the covid NHS app the other NHS app. I don't think this is all that bigger deal really as I don't think it'll be used internally but might be of some use for foreign travel though not likely to replace the need for multiple tests and other countries may not accept it anyway. More like a digital record than any real attempt at a passport.
NHS app ready to become vaccine passport next week
People will be able to use the app for travel - but only if they have received two vaccine doses.
www.bbc.co.uk
Inside the NHS app, not the covid NHS app the other NHS app. I don't think this is all that bigger deal really as I don't think it'll be used internally but might be of some use for foreign travel though not likely to replace the need for multiple tests and other countries may not accept it anyway. More like a digital record than any real attempt at a passport.
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
For the first time in ages there was a 3% increase in the weekly figure of new cases reported on Monday, yesterday that was a 12% increase, which is a bit worrying.
bimble
floofy
not good:
www.theguardian.com
I think i'm ok with the uncertainty and with counting no chickens for the foreseeable, but you know our PM totally did say that thing about piles of bodies being better than having another lockdown, and he'd feel that way even more now presumably.
Indian Covid variant calls in question 17 May reopening in UK, say experts
Highly transmissible B.1.617.2 is now second most common variant and is spreading in north-west England
I think i'm ok with the uncertainty and with counting no chickens for the foreseeable, but you know our PM totally did say that thing about piles of bodies being better than having another lockdown, and he'd feel that way even more now presumably.
Steel Icarus
we move
I think another lockdown will be disastrous all round. In fact people won't do it. I'm worried it's going to get ugly again down the line with everything open, schools maskless, distancing removed, etc
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
People have been saying 'other people won't do it' since last March. They have though on the whole haven't they. I don't see any reason most won't again if it comes to it.
I'm not as pessimistic as last time (although still with some concerns) about the need for a full-on January-style and lengthy lockdown.
(I suppose I tend towards being less nervous by general temperament).
And (gut-reaction here) it seems counterintuitive to me, that with so many people getting vaccinated, that this wouldn't at least reduce the spread of the Indian or other variants
.... booter jabs in the Autumn promised too .....
I admit I'm only guessing mind-you -- like most other people!
(I suppose I tend towards being less nervous by general temperament).
And (gut-reaction here) it seems counterintuitive to me, that with so many people getting vaccinated, that this wouldn't at least reduce the spread of the Indian or other variants
.... booter jabs in the Autumn promised too .....I admit I'm only guessing mind-you -- like most other people!
Steel Icarus
we move
Sure, I'm not predicting anything, I'm just trying to articulate my worries about the speed of unlockening. Badly, obviously!
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
The spread of variants needn't be concerning if it's asymptomatic spread in vaccinated individuals for example. It's hospitalisations, ICU admissions and deaths that matter. Unlike before, these measures no longer follow the case counts in anything like the same way.
For the first time in ages there was a 3% increase in the weekly figure of new cases reported on Monday, yesterday that was a 12% increase, which is a bit worrying.
We were expecting this no? In fact I think many of use kind of expected it after the schools went back and its only filtered through quite slowly after further measures have been relaxed.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It was expected, but didn't happen, until the last couple of days, when it went from a decline of -3% to an increase of +12%, that's a sizeable change in just 2 days, the next few days are worth watching, so see if it's a blip, if it stabilises or is seriously taking off again.
It seems largely down to the Indian variant taking off, specifically in the north, which is concerning as there's some early data from India suggesting it's hitting the under 40s more, much like studies coming out from Brazil regarding their variant, and, of course, the under 40s haven't been offered the jab yet.
The government will put up with cases going up, if they don't result in increased hospitalisations, not that that is helpful to people catching it and ending-up with long covid.
I am certainly not at the pessimistic stage, and remain cautiously optimistic, but it's is something to watch, as I am sure the scientists are.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I'm not a huge fan of the week on week percentage changes, at least not when we are at a stage where overall numbers have been so low for a good while.
I dont mean its totally useless but it certainly has its limits, and I hope thats clear via these daily UK figures (by report date not specimen date) since the start of April. Especially when the recent bank holiday is considered.
I probably will start keeping an eye on the figures per region from now on.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Although based on the following graph I'd say its probably time to zoom in closer than regions. Someone mentioned Bolton earlier and this is what their cases by specimen date graph looks like on the official dashboard at the moment. Its the only one I've looked at so far.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Well there are various different sorts of concerns. Hospitalisations etc are what would force government to change approach eventually, but concerns about particular variants need to extend well beyond the hospital picture. Likewise asymptomatic cases are good news in some ways (disease severity and treatment burden), but bring concerns of their own in terms of detection and spread.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I see we finally have a date for the public inquiry. I dont know how much I'll be up for commentating on it when it happens, since I spent too long discussing failings at the time. I can already hear the future me groaning about how much is excused as only being obvious with the benefit of hindsight, when actually much of it was quite obvious at the time.
Covid: Lessons to be learned from spring 2022 public inquiry - PM
The state will be "under the microscope", Boris Johnson says, as Labour urges an earlier start date.
www.bbc.co.uk
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
So timed to come out just after the next general election? Or an Independent Inquiry headed by that nice Mr. Gove?I see we finally have a date for the public inquiry. I dont know how much I'll be up for commentating on it when it happens, since I spent too long discussing failings at the time. I can already here the future me groaning about how much is excused as only being obvious with the benefit of hindsight, when actually much of it was quite obvious at the time.
Covid: Lessons to be learned from spring 2022 public inquiry - PM
The state will be "under the microscope", Boris Johnson says, as Labour urges an earlier start date.www.bbc.co.uk
elbows
Well-Known Member
I dont have those sorts of predictions at this stage, except that such things are usually chaired by a safe pair of hands that will keep things compatible with the establishment, but wont be so obviously linked to the regime that the likes of Gove would be a candidate. A minimum fig leaf of credibility is usually part of the mix, and Gove etc wont have that.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Some judge we've never previously heard of who had an impressive record of service in excusing state massacres and taking their responsibilities to neoliberalism seriously may be the expected candidate.
Conclusions and recommendations will then be processed into a form compatible with whatever health and care reforms the government want. Or if the conclusions are stubbornly incompatible, it can go down the memory hole like Leveson.
Conclusions and recommendations will then be processed into a form compatible with whatever health and care reforms the government want. Or if the conclusions are stubbornly incompatible, it can go down the memory hole like Leveson.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
As cupid stunt says, it's almost certainly due to the Indian variant popping up now, not really anything to do with the tightness of measures.
My concern is not so much to do with internal measures as with processes to stop the import of new variants. Seems to me the govt has not fully learned the lesson from last year. It's the nature of surges that we only find out about them a while after they have started, so I would guess that the new clusters of Indian variant entered the country before the latest restrictions were put in place. There's a lesson there, I think. All non-essential travel should be discouraged for this year, imo, including all foreign holidays. We can survive for a year without lying on a Portuguese beach. That way, we are then able to all live pretty normally and openly at home. That's the lesson of Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand, etc.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
"Everything that went wrong was due to these scientists and everything that went right was due to the cabinet and Mr Johnson personally, please see our supporting evidence documents 01 - 9999 and please ignore all those massive black lines that are entirely to protect legitimate and normal business and personal data"
I've just saved the government absolutely billions and years, please send me enough for a housing deposit.
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