Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[planetgeli]

Just that the comparison of numbers was a bit apples and oranges. Most sheltered housing facilities contain multiple units.

OK, thanks. I think the numbers are broadly comparable. Roughly a million school staff in 34,000 schools isn't so different to 600,000 housing units being overseen by tens of thousands (probably more) of supported housing staff.

 

[mr steev]

OK, thanks. I think the numbers are broadly comparable. Roughly a million school staff in 34,000 schools isn't so different to 600,000 housing units being overseen by tens of thousands (probably more) of supported housing staff.

I don't think it's just sheltered accomodation. One of my volunteers at work has learning disabillities (not severe, and lives with his mum). He's in his late 20s and having his jab today

 

[Wilf]

Because supermarket workers have screens and don't spend a long time in contact with the same person. Same goes for bus drivers.

Not sure I want to go too far down this road and I don't neglect the shit teachers have had from the government or some heads, but it isn't just about screens. Workers stacking shelves will be close to lots of people as an example. Also, supermarkets have had bosses telling staff to turn the tracking app off, are less likely to have sick pay and all sorts of other shit that has had them coming into work when symptomatic or otherwise vulnerable.

 

[two sheds]

Yes it's not just the workers (important enough) but the number of people they're in contact with - vaccinate them and it eases the pressure on everyone else.

 

[ddraig]

bit at this!
My dad who is almost 70 got their first jab this morning

Covid: Over-40s next in line for vaccine, NHS Wales' head says

Teachers and police officers lobbied to be prioritised but will get it in line with their age-group.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Supine]

There was a question on Indy SAGE about the chance of a 4th wave. Answer was a categorical yes due to the government's lack of strategy and over reliance on the vaccine which won't have been given to enough people. FFS Boris.

 

[Wilf]

No unsafe workplaces should be a central demand and, well, just common decency.

 

[Cid]

Not sure I want to go too far down this road and I don't neglect the shit teachers have had from the government or some heads, but it isn't just about screens. Workers stacking shelves will be close to lots of people as an example. Also, supermarkets have had bosses telling staff to turn the tracking app off, are less likely to have sick pay and all sorts of other shit that has had them coming into work when symptomatic or otherwise vulnerable.

Yes but it’s not usually protracted exposure to an infectious person though... also there are many schools with crap ventilation, just to bump that risk up a bit more. Don’t get me wrong by the way, many other workers have been fucked over by the way this has been handled... it’s just that we’re currently looking at sending back somewhere in the region of a million people at once, in a situation where the increase to r0 is thought to be greater than 0.1 (iirc around 0.2).

 

[cupid_stunt]

bit at this!
My dad who is almost 70 got their first jab this morning

Covid: Over-40s next in line for vaccine, NHS Wales' head says

Teachers and police officers lobbied to be prioritised but will get it in line with their age-group.

www.bbc.co.uk

Over 40s will be next in line AFTER the over 70s, over 60s & over 50s.

HTH.

 

[Wilf]

There was a question on Indy SAGE about the chance of a 4th wave. Answer was a categorical yes due to the government's lack of strategy and over reliance on the vaccine which won't have been given to enough people. FFS Boris.

Yep. Haven't seen the Indy Sage, but that sounds right. By the time the economy is 'open' again, even though the rate of vaccination is presently very good, it won't be enough, not even taking the refuseniks into account. 21% of the population are under 18 so won't get it at all and a further 29% are 18-39, so are unlikely to have had both jabs by the Summer.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Over 40s will be next in line AFTER the over 70s, over 60s & over 50s.

HTH.

That must win some sort of bad headline award.

 

[Cid]

That must win some sort of bad headline award.

‘Workers must wait - vaccine by age group confirmed’
‘Join the queue! Wait until your age group, teachers told’
‘Back of the line! We’ll all get jabbed by age’

Any media outlets, I am happy to work for a 6 figure salary.

 

[editor]

Here's Mc C from the Shamen. A little over the top perhaps but happily not the usual loon shit we've been hearing from popstars,

Let me add if people don’t want to get the vaccine, that is indeed their choice & that freedom of choice should always be respected.

In the same way those who chose to be safe & get vaccinated should also have our choices respected. Surely we can all agree that all freedom of choice should be respected right?

Choices we make come with consequences though. If you are to not get vaccinated then respecting my choice to stay safe should also be respected, which means those not vaccinated shouldn’t be allowed on planes, tube, any public transport, pubs, bars, clubs, theatres, cinemas, stadiums or any other place of public gathering unless that can show a negative Covid test with results received within 48 hours. This way both sets of choices are being respected.

My only thoughts about those who refuse the vaccine are that these people don’t much care about the safety of newborns, people with diebetes, cancer or any other infirm or very elderly people

 

[ddraig]

Over 40s will be next in line AFTER the over 70s, over 60s & over 50s.

HTH.

You're on ignore so don't waste your time quoting or replying to me
We were put on mutual ignore or advised to a while ago, you should stick to it

 

[cupid_stunt]

You're on ignore so don't waste your time quoting or replying to me
We were put on mutual ignore or advised to a while ago, you should stick to it

That was fucking ages ago & for a limited period, that has long since expired.

Which begs the question, if you have me on ignore, or think we're still on mutual ignore, why are you reading my posts & replying to them?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Today's figures -

Vaccinations - 1st dose almost 18.7m & 2nd dose over 700k - after a few days of very low numbers, they seem to have bounced back somewhat, with around 480k jabs yesterday.

New cases - 9,985, down -15.7% in the last week, bringing the 7-day average down to under 10,200, a figure we haven't seen since early Oct.

New deaths - 323, down -30.4% in the last week, bringing the 7-day average down to around 383, a figure we haven't seen since early Nov.

The good news continues, with todays' figures.

Vaccinations - 1st dose almost 19.18m & 2nd dose 736k, over 520k jabs yesterday.

New cases - 8,523, down -16.8% in the last week, bringing the 7-day average down to under 9,690. We were seeing drops of around -25%, then it dropped almost as low as -10%, so good to see new cases dropping faster again.

New deaths - 345, down -31.3% in the last week, and down 188 on last Friday's 533, bringing the 7-day average down to around 356.

 

[existentialist]

That was fucking ages ago & for a limited period, that has long since expired.

Which begs the question, if you have me on ignore, or think we're still on mutual ignore, why are you reading my posts & replying to them?

Shouldn't bother, if I were you. For a vegan, that one is a past master at the maturing of beef on extremely long timescales. He reminds me periodically not to reply to him because he has me on Ignore, too. So he won't see this message

 

[Wilf]

Here's Mc C from the Shamen. A little over the top perhaps but happily not the usual loon shit we've been hearing from popstars,

I agree with the sentiment, but how far to go? For example, how far to go with the stuff below when it comes to people not a GP list, homeless and the rest? And the under 18s will be allowed on public transport, cinemas and the rest. I agree that refusing the vaccine on anything other than genuine medical grounds is antisocial and there will have to be some kind of passport only events (perhaps flights). But going beyond that is problematic.

If you are to not get vaccinated then respecting my choice to stay safe should also be respected, which means those not vaccinated shouldn’t be allowed on planes, tube, any public transport, pubs, bars, clubs, theatres, cinemas, stadiums or any other place of public gathering unless that can show a negative Covid test with results received within 48 hours

 

[ddraig]

That was fucking ages ago & for a limited period, that has long since expired.

Which begs the question, if you have me on ignore, or think we're still on mutual ignore, why are you reading my posts & replying to them?

Try not to derail this thread eh! Doubt you've changed so still on ignore
I saw FM's post so looked and then replied to you to stop you wasting your time, I don't read (and thus don't reply to) your posts
This is my last post about this

 

[cupid_stunt]

I agree with the sentiment, but how far to go? For example, how far to go with the stuff below when it comes to people not a GP list, homeless and the rest? And the under 18s will be allowed on public transport, cinemas and the rest. I agree that refusing the vaccine on anything other than genuine medical grounds is antisocial and there will have to be some kind of passport only events (perhaps flights). But going beyond that is problematic.

Under 18s would clearly be exempt on genuine medical grounds, due to the fact the vaccines are not licensed, yet, for the under 18s.

 

[Wilf]

Under 18s would clearly be exempt on genuine medical grounds, due to the fact the vaccines are not licensed, yet, for the under 18s.

Well, yes, that's what I mean i.e. it becomes problematic to exclude vaccine refuseniks from the tube, say, when large numbers of other people who are unvaccinated would be allowed on. The other thing is of course logistics and checking vaccination status. Doable when buying tickets and going to gigs perhaps, but not on the tube.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Well, yes, that's what I mean i.e. it becomes problematic to exclude vaccine refuseniks from the tube, say, when large numbers of other people who are unvaccinated would, be allowed on. The other thing is of course logistics and checking vaccination status. Doable when buying tickets and going to gigs perhaps, but not on the tube.

Personally, I'll be very surprised if it happened, but if they found some way of making 'vaccine passports' workable on the likes of the tube, I assume 'vaccine exempt passports' would be part of such a system.

 

[Ms Ordinary]

Jo Whiley has been drawing attention to carers - herself included - being offered vaccines before the people they care for, and before learning disabled people in care homes (who are often vulnerable due to additional health conditions).

Jo Whiley offered Covid jab before sister in care home who later tested positive



(Following a covid outbreak at her residential home, her sister Frances is now in hospital)

Update: (because people still sadfacing the post above)
Jo Whiley's sister Frances is out of hospital, and anyone on the GP Learning Disabilty is now to be offered the vaccine as a priority.

 

[elbows]

There was a question on Indy SAGE about the chance of a 4th wave. Answer was a categorical yes due to the government's lack of strategy and over reliance on the vaccine which won't have been given to enough people. FFS Boris.

Yes, my creeping vaccine optimism and regard for peoples morale still does not come anywhere close to claiming that we've seen the end of waves.

The chosen approach features the usual blunt tools, fuck the poor, dates not data, reckless shit. I expect I will say more when Ive had time to look at the modelling in detail, but I suspect things will end up being not a question of whether there are further waves, but about how high the levels of hospitalisation and deaths are in those waves.

Certainly if very large numbers of people go back to behaving like they did before the pandemic, then the benefits of vaccination will be used up countering that. eg if 75% of people were shielded from the virus by limiting contacts before, and they then take a vaccine that offers 75% protection but go back to normal levels of contact with people, then the situation could still end up being similar. In practice its probably a good deal more complicated than that, especially if the transmission picture is radically altered by vaccines. All the same, I still think asking vaccines to carry all the weight is asking for trouble. And then we end up with the question of what counts as a tollerable level of hospitalisation and death to people. I expect such equations have changed for some people due to fatigue, but there is a fair chance of this blowing up in peoples faces at some point, and even if the bullet is dodged on the practical front I expect it wont be dodged morally.

 

[Teaboy]

Fairly impassioned from Van Tam there at the press conference. Hugely frustrating that numbers are going up in some areas. I do wonder how much control they would be able to exhibit if there is another wave which requires some sort of Lockdown.

 

[brogdale]

It's all about the messaging...

 

[elbows]

Those signs have been there for a week or more, they are only just getting round to talking about it now.

 

[Sunray]

I don't think anyone is too bothered if someone gets sick and recovers. No national lockdowns when there is a cold or flu going around.
I think its an inevitability case rates will go up if we unlock. Time to worry if people end up in hospitals.
There are 30000 healthcare workers who have been tested every two weeks after the vaccine to see how well it's performing under scientific conditions. Data is looking very positive.
Dr John Cambell with all the facts.

Viruses can mutate to milder variants too. It's not always bad, or we would be living out resident evil for real life. This is how the 1917 flu pandemic ended, it just became something people could survive more easily.

 

[StoneRoad]

Despite my jab, I'm not going to alter my behaviour in the near future.

Ditto after the second jab, whenever I get to that point.

Outside my home, I shall be masked up and socially distancing for a long time to come.

 

[Teaboy]

I don't think anyone is too bothered if someone gets sick and recovers. No national lockdowns when there is a cold or flu going around.
I think its an inevitability case rates will go up if we unlock. Time to worry if people end up in hospitals.

Sure, its just bothersome that it is happening now in the midst of a national lockdown. As was evident in December there is a critical mass out there who have thrown the towel in to one degree or another.