Cop strikes woman at G20 on video

[Crispy]

Are there any camera phones that allow direct uploading/streaming in real time, so it's impossible to seize recorded images?

 

[two sheds]

I glimpsed that out of the corner of my eye and saw "exchange grannies".

A Granny Exchange, protests for the use of on.

Not a bad idea

Granny Exchange tickets should indeed be part of any kettle kit. Colostomy bag, too, for when we get caught short.

 

[harpo]

Are there any camera phones that allow direct uploading/streaming in real time, so it's impossible to seize recorded images?

Apparently so, according to peeps on this thread.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Are there any camera phones that allow direct uploading/streaming in real time, so it's impossible to seize recorded images?

There's probably a photography forum thread to be started about this. What equipment, what techniques, how to avoid getting your footage deleted/seized, how to spot when something is kicking off, how to establish context etc.

Photography forum is public though isn't it? So is that the right place? Would such a discussion be deemed 'conspiracy to commit photography useful to a terrorist' or something?

 

[durruti02]

That's the kind of thing that happens at football all the time. Looking at that video, you can see how entirely peaceful and quiet it all is until the cops decide to ramp up the tension.

The black guy appears to be polite throughout and he is met by aggression and rudeness. The 'wind them up until they respond and then go in mob handed' tactic is depressingly common.

i have been attacked by the throat by the police before .. again in a totally non violent context .. i suspect it is a Hendon taught attack .. or maybe just passed from colleague to colleague .. it works btw .. being hit in the throat disbles better than many other attacks

 

[durruti02]

Not seen that one. Do the BBC/Guardian/Times have it?

its at the beginning of the attack on the woman .. its what sparked her protest to the robocop

 

[Wilf]

The woman has come forward now according to the grauniad. But on this (different, presumably earlier) take on it, they do report the events oddly:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/15/g20-police-assault-tomlinson-ipcc

They describe the black guy as being in a 'scuffle' with police. Personally, I don't seen him doing anything active - only getting pushed twice. They also seem to imply the woman started off the exchange with the now suspended coper by swearing at him - ignoring the fact that he pushed her before that.

Bit odd really, given the evidence that's in the clip they have above the story.

 

[durruti02]

copper has'nt lost it baton strike to the thigh is the prescribed method of inflicting pain while not causing damage

while having somebody scream abuse in your face is not pleasant it is part of the job. (Though doing that and being surprised when you get a slap )
apparently orders were to minimize arrests as they take bodies out of the cordon.
so faced with abusive protesters not allowed to arrest them a modicum of pain is going to be handed out

sorry i have watched this vid a few times and i still see no 'abuse' from the women .. she was protesting that a young black man had just been assaulted a couple of yards away .. what was she suppossed to do? keep quiet?

 

[danny la rouge]

its at the beginning of the attack on the woman .. its what sparked her protest to the robocop

Ah, right.

 

[xes]

Are there any camera phones that allow direct uploading/streaming in real time, so it's impossible to seize recorded images?

I know I can upload pictures directly to the internet from anywhere with a reception. Haven't tried a video, but my phone isn't the newest technology, so I'm willing to bet that "there's an ap for it"

 

[editor]

Are there any camera phones that allow direct uploading/streaming in real time, so it's impossible to seize recorded images?

Yes - it's been around for a while and available on some WM and Nokia devices. I think I remember seeing a BBC live news feature using a Nokia N95.

Robert Scoble has gone wild for a new video streaming service for cellphones called Qik. It vaguely competes with Kyte, Seesmic and Ustream, but is perhaps closest to Kyte. Qik enables live video casting from a cell phone via any 3G/GPRS/Wi-fi Internet connection. Developed by Visivo Communications in Santa Clara, Qik has been in testing since November. Unlike sites where you have to wait for the video to be uploaded, Qik cleverly streams the video straight into the site with a 5 second delay. [Dec 2007]
http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/qik-streams-live-video-from-cell-to-web/

Even if your phone doesn't support live streaming, it only takes a few minutes to upload the footage from your phone to a website.

 

[tarannau]

To be fair, I thought that woman was annoying and very likely to get a good thunk. Not defending the officer, more weary resignation about the conduct of officers and the likelihood of them lashing out to be fair. It would have been more of a surprise if she hadn't been hit tbh, albeit the dismissive, unnecessary way sucked.

What's equally unforgivable is that the goon is clearly concealing his number. What possible reason is there for that?

 

[shaman75]

BBC have changed their tune.

Yesterday: "The footage shows the woman swearing at a police officer who then appears to hit her in the face before apparently striking her on the leg with his baton."

Today: "He is shown hitting the woman in the face with his hand and her leg with his baton after allegedly being sworn at."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7999277.stm

 

[Citizen66]

yeah but they've got to connect you to a terrorist cell before they can do alot.

Not particularly. Who can remember the old guy who got arrested at Westminster for getting a bit gobby under the Terrorism act?

Like Laptop says, they will do enough just to confiscate your equipment off you. 'Suspicion' is enough to do that. Even if they fail to convict you of anything they will stop images of their transgressions being published. I reckon we will see an increase in this after these recent incidents.

 

[danny la rouge]

To be fair, I thought that woman was annoying and very likely to get a good thunk

She was remonstrating about another incident. She was entitled to be vociferous.

 

[editor]

You can see some example archive videos and live mobile video streams here: http://qik.com/

 

[durruti02]

I think that's a good demonstration of how the kettling tactic is not something you'd do if you wanted to maximise the chances of a peaceful demonstration, but rather what you'd do if you wanted to make protest as unpleasant as possible while staying within the letter of the law (mostly) and if possible provoking violence in a controlled manner to increase the unpleasantness and justify police heavy-handedness.

It's pretty clear from the longer version of the video, where you see a couple of innocents wandering into the kettle and a couple of people being stopped from leaving, that up until the point where the cops attack that black guy, the situation was peaceful, if not happy or contented. The longer it goes on though, the more pissed off the crowd is going to become and indeed we see the tension rise rapidly when for whatever reason, multiple cops start manhandling the black guy. It demonstrates how kettling a peaceful crowd and indiscriminately using aggression against that crowd creates a situation where violence becomes more likely than if the tactic were not used at all.

cock up or conspiracy? .. lets be honest they not all that bright .. but i tend to go with your idea it is a wind up

 

[danny la rouge]

Yesterday: "The footage shows the woman swearing at a police officer who then appears to hit her in the face before apparently striking her on the leg with his baton."

That's what the radio was saying this morning. It wasn't made clear she was complaining about someone being assaulted by cops.

 

[tarannau]

She was remonstrating about another incident. She was entitled to be vociferous.

Entitled to be vociferous? I don't disagree, but have the police ever respected that right? IME if you query an officer in public you're likely to get arrested or battered.

 

[Citizen66]

Are there any camera phones that allow direct uploading/streaming in real time, so it's impossible to seize recorded images?

There's a web-cam that sends images straight to your email account for household security. So the technology is definitely there. Dont know if it just runs on mains power or can be used with batteries; or if it even films in realtime or just a series of stills.

 

[durruti02]

BBC have changed their tune.

Yesterday: "The footage shows the woman swearing at a police officer who then appears to hit her in the face before apparently striking her on the leg with his baton."

Today: "He is shown hitting the woman in the face with his hand and her leg with his baton after allegedly being sworn at."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7999277.stm

she only swears, and not even at him, after she is pushed away .. says "i'm just a fucking woman" at which point he backhands her .. reckon he's done that before maybe to ex or wife .. if i was a journo

 

[danny la rouge]

have the police ever respected that right?

Indeed not, but it's important to note that her "annoyingness" had a context. Important, because a lot of people who were previously neutral about the police are become politicized by these stories.

 

[In Bloom]

Entitled to be vociferous? I don't disagree, but have the police ever respected that right? IME if you query an officer in public you're likely to get arrested or battered.

You seem to be under the impression that you're the only one who is aware of that fact.

 

[shaman75]

I know I can upload pictures directly to the internet from anywhere with a reception. Haven't tried a video, but my phone isn't the newest technology, so I'm willing to bet that "there's an ap for it"

Yes. You can upload images to a blogger account by setting up your phone (mms), to twitpic via email or video/ images via email/ mms at jive.ly.

I'm sure there must be countless others. It's a growing market since twitter exploded.

Also important to note that, even if pictures are deleted, they can often be recovered. Although taking more pictures/ video after the deletion would probably prevent this.

 

[editor]

To be fair, I thought that woman was annoying and very likely to get a good thunk.

Come on. It was a little woman shouting a bit. She wasn't being violent and she was responding to the police intimidation going on around her.

The police are supposedly trained to deal with far worse situations, but if they resort to slapping and striking a woman just for shouting, it sets a worrying precedent for more expressive displays of dissent.

 

[editor]

Also important to note that, even if pictures are deleted, they can often be recovered. Although taking more pictures/ video after the deletion would probably prevent this.

Indeed. I'm thinking of drawing up a protesters guide to photographing demos, including tips like yours, plus references to the new streaming/uploading technologies and also ideas like regularly swapping over and hiding memory cards when kettled.

 

[ymu]

I got arrested with some evidence on a memory card. I stuck it down the back of the silver foil in a fag packet. Later on, my solicitor got the hint when I offered him a cig and took the packet away with him and got it to the indymedia guys in our group. It was quite exciting at the time.

 

[winjer]

It doesn't matter, from the point of view of getting the news out, what the grounds for conviction for an offence are.

What does matter, from the point of view of getting the news out, is what stupid powers of arrest exist to be abused.

But what also matters is that people realise that the police are lying when they invoke s76 (or s44) as a reason to not take or delete photos, and aren't afraid of saying No.

 

[ddraig]

Are there any camera phones that allow direct uploading/streaming in real time, so it's impossible to seize recorded images?

didn't someone here link to a live stream from a mobile on April 1st?

 

[Callie]

The police are supposedly trained to deal with far worse situations, but if they resort to slapping and striking a woman just for shouting, it sets a worrying precedent for more expressive displays of dissent.

"If they" hehe From the actions of police that I have witness I thought that kind of thing was standard practice.

It will be really interesting to see what happens with this and Ian Tomlinson's case.

If heads do roll it sets a precedent that I would imagine the police will not be very happy with at all..... it not going to happen is it?