Cop strikes woman at G20 on video

[Winston Legthigh]

theres this figure of 50k being quoted everywhere as the sum clifford has 'won' for her.

but no actual evidence of this exclusive interview.

so does the 50k exist, or is that just a fabrication?

 

[Citizen66]

theres this figure of 50k being quoted everywhere as the sum clifford has 'won' for her.

but no actual evidence of this exclusive interview.

so does the 50k exist, or is that just a fabrication?

I read that she was 'seeking' £50k for her story.

Could be bollocks being peddled to discredit it her along with her being a 'shop lifter'...

 

[lostexpectation]

You have it backwards, her story was highlighted, the press got interested then she/a relative/a friend hired Clifford to deal with the mob outside her door.

how? why hers?

 

[lostexpectation]

does it damager her case to get an pr person, remember the judge who threw out the previous kettling case cos the women spoke to the media afterwards.

 

[shaman75]

Tomorrows front pages

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...e_National_Newspapers_On_Friday_April_17_2009

 

[editor]

Whose mad idea was the "Whipped by the Taliban" bit? Mind you, that's some bruise.

 

[lostexpectation]

Guardian compendium of videos - don't know how many have been posted...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/15/g20-protest-police-videos-catalogue

does anyone heart race, hands sweat, feel immense anger and dread by just watching those?

 

[lostexpectation]

Whose mad idea was the "Whipped by the Taliban" bit? Mind you, that's some bruise.

i wonder if she had bruised face, they going to excuse the baton to the back of the leg as standard practice.

 

[laptop]

does it damager her case to get an pr person

There's of course a risk that it'll damage her reputation - it's already been used to knock her as though she's money-grubbing - by papers among those most known for the opposite, wossname, money-dangling.

Max C on handling Jade's widower:

Don't rule out the possibility that Max C himself has thought "enough is enough, something's got to be done about this".

And it does take some skill to keep the story alive long enough to ensure there is action. The Guardian's been very good at rationing out the relevations in what could have been a one-day outrage (thanks, Duncan Campbell, I think). But the ex-brodsheet stories are getting a bit strained now.

And it just happens that the interests of political reform - pressure severe enough to lead to a really embarassing inquiry, for example, are similar to the interests of Max C maximising his percentage.

As for the £50k - that would have been Max opening the bidding, wouldn't it?

remember the judge her threw out the previous kettling case cos the women spoke to the media afterwards.

He did? Link would be lovely!

 

[two sheds]

Whose mad idea was the "Whipped by the Taliban" bit? Mind you, that's some bruise.

Product placement for you: compare your product to that of the market leader. Quite effective I thought.

 

[lostexpectation]

I've never said this before but. He is not all that he seems; he took on the 7/7 survivors and families on the first anniversary for nothing, without publicity. Before, I was getting up at 4am and working til 2am, and trying not to lose my job, taking up to 6 calls an hour from UK and international media, because I had a blog, and was therefore visible, and had somehow become the unpaid press officer and first point of contact of any journo wanting a 7/7 victim interview. I had a breakdown, he stepped in, and put 4 full time members of staff on it.


He negotiated a decent wheel chair for a double amputee, he helped people get compensation, and he protected those who did not want to speak, held the firestorm at bay, and never said a word or asked for anything. He gave me and the families over GBP100, 000 of representation for nothing.

campaigning for tories, calling max clifford what the difference?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

What strikes me is that the police services, whose entire supposed raison d'etre is public service via an "open" system of interaction, act increasingly as though they're in a "closed" system where discipline must be enforced, such as the military.
Now, 20 years ago I'd have blamed this on the large amount of recruits that came to the police from the military, but that's no longer true anywhere in the command chain of the police services, except for MoD-plod.
I get the impression that perhaps the upper echelons of the police services might be encouraging this creeping "militarisation" as a method of retaining remit and funding (i.e. securing parts of their empires against the depradations of the "security service") but without either looking to history or calculating (if they give a damn) the price that the public might pay for such a shift.

I suspect that the normalisation has been ongoing for longer even than The Sun has been published. Elements of the media have always been willing to either submit or play along, and the government has a centuries-long history of supporting reaction and entrenched interests. As for independent oversight...

Are they getting training from the military maybe? They're certainly acting as though they'd taken lessons in public order policing from the Para. I guess we should be glad that they aren't issued with bayonets eh?

The way the cops who repeatedly shot the unfortunate Mr Menezes in the face had evidently adopted the SAS/IDF approach displayed at Gibraltar but added a bunch of typical rozzer incompetence (at least on that occasion the SAS had the sense to execute people who were actually in the IRA, even if they weren't armed or dangerous at the time of their death, rather than some random bystander)

I'd be willing to bet that during the Thatcher era a whole bunch of military riot instigation/control and coercion techniques were passed on to the cops that have continued to affect their training and doctrine to this day.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

campaigning for tories calling max clifford what the difference?

what

 

[Brother Mouzone]

does anyone heart race, hands sweat, feel immense anger and dread by just watching those?

Yes.

 

[Lily]

I know if I was a regular Joanne Public who didn't know anyone in the media, who had been featured on a video that was being quoted on forums, shown on the mainstream telly news, was being referred to by the newspapers, then that's what I'd probably do... call directory enquiries and ask for Max Clifford's number and then phone him and say "It was me in that video! Heeeeeeeeelp!"

Me too!!

 

[albionism]

I think it's good that she is appearing in the right wing rags. No point in preaching to the converted.

 

[TopCat]

Max is much maligned but is not as bad as painted.

 

[ohmyliver]

I think it's good that she is appearing in the right wing rags. No point in preaching to the converted.

much as reading the Mail angries up my blood, there has been some interesting articles (inbetween the usual loathesome stories) like
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ible-injuries-peaceful-country-folk-2004.html
although they do seem to forget that the politicisation of the police and civil service is one of Thatcher's legacies.

Also in the Tory blogosphere again there's been some very anti police policy articles like
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2009/04/quis-custodiet-ipsos-custodes.html

 

[Fruitloop]

does anyone heart race, hands sweat, feel immense anger and dread by just watching those?

I made the mistake of watching a couple yesterday while listening to Omen by the Prodigy. Had to switch them off and go and make a cup of tea.

'Now, the writing's on the wall, and it won't go away...'

 

[Treacle Toes]

Whose mad idea was the "Whipped by the Taliban" bit? Mind you, that's some bruise.

That headline could not be more crap and will not win any sympathy.

 

[Corax]

That headline could not be more crap and will not win any sympathy.

I expect it will scarcely draw comment from the paper's readership. Sensationalist and exaggerated headlines are their stock in trade, and the people that read the rag will be entirely used to them.

See also "The Sandwich Gestapo!!" on a school that had strict rules on packed lunches, and many many more...

 

[winjer]

much as reading the Mail angries up my blood, there has been some interesting articles (inbetween the usual loathesome stories) like
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ible-injuries-peaceful-country-folk-2004.html

Highly misleading though, although people were hit with batons in the middle of the day, when the police finally cleared the square that evening they didn't even carry batons, just shuffled very slowly forwards, any other group that had thrown that much stuff at the police would have been baton-charged.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wnjr/sets/72157616911357804/

 

[winjer]

how? why hers?

A clear video at the right time. The press are all looking for a scoop here, after seeing the Guardian's stories attract worldwide interest.

 

[ohmyliver]

Highly misleading though, although people were hit with batons in the middle of the day, when the police finally cleared the square that evening they didn't even carry batons, just shuffled very slowly forwards, any other group that had thrown that much stuff at the police would have been baton-charged.

Indeed, but it's an interesting Mail article as it seems to tacitly acknowledge that the police are increasingly brutal state enforcers

They also seem to gloss over the fact that Thatcher wasn't exactly blameless in the politicisation of the police force

 

[winjer]

He did? Link would be lovely!

Presumably an interpretation of:

"The appellant, like others who were present, was not adequately dressed for the occasion. She had an 11 month old baby who was in a crèche. She had planned to be on the demonstration for two or three hours before collecting her, but in the event she was prevented from doing so. Nevertheless the judge held that she was not much distressed, but was stimulated by the event. At various times in the afternoon she had a megaphone and told people not to push. She was in the company of friends throughout. When she came out of the police cordon she did not rush home but participated in a TV interview and responded to questions from the press."

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200809/ldjudgmt/jd090128/austin-1.htm

From the original:

"Excerpts from the video evidence were played to her showing herself with the megaphone at various times in the afternoon. Although looking wet and cold, she appears in good humour. She correctly points out that many of the members of the crowd around her appear similarly. At the end of the day, as people were released, she had been reassured by her friend that her daughter was all right and she did not herself rush home. She invited people present to pass to her on paper or via e-mail their e-mail addresses or telephone numbers. She said a lot of people's details were recorded on scraps of paper or leaflets which she held, and many people did contact her. As she came out of the police cordon she participated in a TV interview and responded to questions from the press before leaving for home."

"I find that Ms Austin was well aware before she joined any demonstrations on 1st May 2001 that there was a substantial risk of violence and other criminal activities on the part of a minority of the demonstrators that day. This prospect did not cause her any alarm, and she was willing to take the risk of it occurring in proximity to her. She did not, of course, contemplate or take the risk of any unlawful acts on the part of the police. Everyone is entitled to assume that public authorities will at all times act lawfully. During the brief period starting at about 3.30pm when she realised she would not able to leave to collect baby, and ending when she had made alternative arrangements, I have no doubt that she was genuinely anguished, as any mother in that position would be. Apart from that, what was actually done by the police that day did not cause her significant distress. On the contrary, I find that she was stimulated by it at the time, and subsequently proud of what she had done while at Oxford Circus."

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2005/480.html

 

[winjer]

They also seem to gloss over the fact that Thatcher wasn't exactly blameless in the politicisation of the police force

Purposely I'd say, as with all their criticism of Ian Blair being centred on his supposed socialism and concern for diversity and multiculturalism.

 

[laptop]

Presumably an interpretation of:


http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200809/ldjudgmt/jd090128/austin-1.htm

From the original:

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2005/480.html

Thanks!

* practices crying "Can't stop, they've imprisoned me illegally for six hours and I have to get the baby" straight to camera *

 

[_pH_]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ible-injuries-peaceful-country-folk-2004.html

priceless! although the tone of the article is pathetic really, 'we were beaten up by the police more than you', rather than any sense of a shared experience of brutality at the hands of the police.

and it's bollocks to say that the CA march was entirely peaceful, there were a number of bumpkins picking fights with the police because a) picking fights with those who disagree with them is what they do (years of hunt sabbing can testify to this); and b) they tend to think themselves above the law anyway.

 

[Squatticus]

does anyone heart race, hands sweat, feel immense anger and dread by just watching those?

Yes. It is extremely difficult to restrain one's anger in the face of it. Still, we must.

 

[Squatticus]

Re The Daily Fail, you should read their comments boards from before the G20 scandal. Their readers hate the cops.