Cop strikes woman at G20 on video
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Badger Kitten
oof
If the media are camping outside your door, calling you nonstop and shoving cards thorugh your letterbox, then calling Clifford is one of the things - quite possibly the only thing - a non-media person could think of to do.
So I can understand why she did it; and now it is the easiest smear of all.
They can't make her out to be a violent anarchist - she works in an animal sanctuary. Child porn on her computer - no, won't wash - so what's the easiest smear?
One frantic call to Clifford - not even made by her, quite possibly - her sister might have made it - and bingo.
She's 'on the make'.
Just how Amanda Platell tried to smear the Tomlinson family in the Mail.
What would you do, if the media were outside your flat and you couldn't leave, and you were an international news story?
Did she speak to the media before the story broke? No. And it's 15 April now and it was 2nd April then.
I have every sympathy for her; how the fuck does anyone know how to deal with a media storm until it happens?
So I can understand why she did it; and now it is the easiest smear of all.
They can't make her out to be a violent anarchist - she works in an animal sanctuary. Child porn on her computer - no, won't wash - so what's the easiest smear?
One frantic call to Clifford - not even made by her, quite possibly - her sister might have made it - and bingo.
She's 'on the make'.
Just how Amanda Platell tried to smear the Tomlinson family in the Mail.
What would you do, if the media were outside your flat and you couldn't leave, and you were an international news story?
Did she speak to the media before the story broke? No. And it's 15 April now and it was 2nd April then.
I have every sympathy for her; how the fuck does anyone know how to deal with a media storm until it happens?
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Publish and edit my own news releases from my own home, using a blog and Youtube.
I wouldn't call Clifford if he were the last man on earth.
Badger Kitten
oof
I've never said this before but. He is not all that he seems; he took on the 7/7 survivors and families on the first anniversary for nothing, without publicity. Before, I was getting up at 4am and working til 2am, and trying not to lose my job, taking up to 6 calls an hour from UK and international media, because I had a blog, and was therefore visible, and had somehow become the unpaid press officer and first point of contact of any journo wanting a 7/7 victim interview. I had a breakdown, he stepped in, and put 4 full time members of staff on it.
He negotiated a decent wheel chair for a double amputee, he helped people get compensation, and he protected those who did not want to speak, held the firestorm at bay, and never said a word or asked for anything. He gave me and the families over GBP100, 000 of representation for nothing.
He negotiated a decent wheel chair for a double amputee, he helped people get compensation, and he protected those who did not want to speak, held the firestorm at bay, and never said a word or asked for anything. He gave me and the families over GBP100, 000 of representation for nothing.
Badger Kitten
oof
I don't see what else I could have done, nobody else would have done that, nobody else could have done that, nor did they offer or even think to ask.
There were all sorts of people who were supposed to look after the 7/7 victims, including whole Govt. departments - they did fuck all.
I can understand why she called him ( if she called him): he does some rotten things, but the media will back off if he is sorting it , and he does more than people know to protect people thrust into the media storm who aren't slebs, who didn't ask for it, because he is about the only person who can, and will.
PS> I did not ask for, or want, or get, any money when he helped me and the wheelchair was the only payment I'm aware of, and it was needed, the bloke had been fucked over by his PCT and it was only Clifford who got them moving.
There were all sorts of people who were supposed to look after the 7/7 victims, including whole Govt. departments - they did fuck all.
I can understand why she called him ( if she called him): he does some rotten things, but the media will back off if he is sorting it , and he does more than people know to protect people thrust into the media storm who aren't slebs, who didn't ask for it, because he is about the only person who can, and will.
PS> I did not ask for, or want, or get, any money when he helped me and the wheelchair was the only payment I'm aware of, and it was needed, the bloke had been fucked over by his PCT and it was only Clifford who got them moving.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
it's smear by association basically innit.
Badger Kitten
oof
yep, and it has worked.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
well it often does unfortunately.
ISTR he's also very politically motivated because of bad treatment his daughter received on the NHS.
Plus it's a little too early to judge his deal with the beaten woman. Maybe she plans to put her fees from the press to good use. Maybe he's not taking a cut.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
As i touched on in my last post, its understandable how this could have come about, in the heat of the siege. Equally, there will be guilt by association aplenty, from the same right wing 'commentators' who have been referring to Ian Tomlinson as a 'homeless alcoholic' all week. However, even if its understandable, its still fair comment to note that going along with Max Clifford is not the ideal move(if indeed she has done - lets wait and see. She seemed to be talking directly to the grauniad this morning).
Actually, despite the result that has been scored against the old bill; we're actually promoting the acceleration of a surveillance society here.
A little bit twisted, underneath it all, despite the victory.
Oh, I dunno. the video evidence has come from someone posting on youtube. if it an acceleration of the surveillance society, it least it's proving to be relatively democratic iyswim
Yes, but it's the thin end of the wedge. You only need to have fallen foul of some eejit and witness them sprout smears on the internet about you to deduce that the same fuckers would gladly meet you for a beer, give you a few lines, film it, and you're out on a limb come monday morning.
Yes, good to film the police so everyone can see what they're like. But I see dark clouds ahead too.
lostexpectation
New Member
how _did_ the story break?
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
the story of the woman (seemingly definitely) getting battered or the story of the woman (maybe) having used pro pr?
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
It's pure discrimination against teh disabledz innit! Take your case to the European Court of Human Rights!I've missed demos purely because of the likelihood of "kettling" being used. Having an inflammatory bowel disease, I can't risk being detained away from a kharzi, unless I want my trews to look like a battlefield.
I wonder if I can take the Home Office to the ECHR for denying me my right to protest through their use of non-targetted "crowd control" tactics?
We're gonna fight... For the right... To protest without our access to lavatory facilities being unduly restricted.
Not quite as catchy as the song, I admit, but I hazard a guess it could catch on if all teh disabledz started singing it all in one go. I iz teh disabledz, and I would join in, but you really wouldn't want me to, my voice is like a weapon of mass destruction of eardrums.
Guardian compendium of videos - don't know how many have been posted...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/15/g20-protest-police-videos-catalogue
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/15/g20-protest-police-videos-catalogue
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I can understand her asking Max Clifford to get involved and/or Max Clifford offering his services (paid or unpaid).
Lots of people aren't media savvy.
I must admit, as a journalist, I was thinking, when I saw the video, ooh, I know everyone's trying to identify the cop who covered up his number, but who is she, what's her story? And also the bloke who was manhandled, who is he, what's his story? Was he just an innocent bystander trying to get home from work? Was he a peaceful protester thinking this is all a bit too crowded, too many police, don't like where this might potentially be heading? Or did he have to pick a child up from school? Or was he bursting for the loo and feared he was about to p!ss his pants in front of a crowd of people, and maybe that's why he was apparently pleading to leave the kettle? But I haven't been working this particular story recently, or else I might have asked around to see if anyone I knew who was there happened to see the incident, if anyone knew who the central characters were. Any and every journalist would have been wondering who they were.
And for a regular person, if you have loads of journalists phoning your house, phoning your mobile, maybe turning up on your doorstep and ringing your bell and asking you for comments... Who you gonna call? Well, not Ghostbusters, for starters, probably you're going to ring 118 118 and ask for the offices of Max Clifford. I know if I was a regular Joanne Public who didn't know anyone in the media, who had been featured on a video that was being quoted on forums, shown on the mainstream telly news, was being referred to by the newspapers, then that's what I'd probably do... call directory enquiries and ask for Max Clifford's number and then phone him and say "It was me in that video! Heeeeeeeeelp!"
I mean, how many other 'agents' or media savvy PR people do laypeople know about?
So I don't think anyone should be too disparaging about his involvement.
Just ask yourself, if you inadvertently found yourself featured on a video, and found yourself at the centre of a media storm, who would you call? What would you do?
Lots of people aren't media savvy.
I must admit, as a journalist, I was thinking, when I saw the video, ooh, I know everyone's trying to identify the cop who covered up his number, but who is she, what's her story? And also the bloke who was manhandled, who is he, what's his story? Was he just an innocent bystander trying to get home from work? Was he a peaceful protester thinking this is all a bit too crowded, too many police, don't like where this might potentially be heading? Or did he have to pick a child up from school? Or was he bursting for the loo and feared he was about to p!ss his pants in front of a crowd of people, and maybe that's why he was apparently pleading to leave the kettle? But I haven't been working this particular story recently, or else I might have asked around to see if anyone I knew who was there happened to see the incident, if anyone knew who the central characters were. Any and every journalist would have been wondering who they were.
And for a regular person, if you have loads of journalists phoning your house, phoning your mobile, maybe turning up on your doorstep and ringing your bell and asking you for comments... Who you gonna call? Well, not Ghostbusters, for starters, probably you're going to ring 118 118 and ask for the offices of Max Clifford. I know if I was a regular Joanne Public who didn't know anyone in the media, who had been featured on a video that was being quoted on forums, shown on the mainstream telly news, was being referred to by the newspapers, then that's what I'd probably do... call directory enquiries and ask for Max Clifford's number and then phone him and say "It was me in that video! Heeeeeeeeelp!"
I mean, how many other 'agents' or media savvy PR people do laypeople know about?
So I don't think anyone should be too disparaging about his involvement.
Just ask yourself, if you inadvertently found yourself featured on a video, and found yourself at the centre of a media storm, who would you call? What would you do?
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I don't quite get why this is supposed to be a "bizarre turn of events," I mean, as I've said previously, you're average layperson caught up in a media storm is going to be inundated with calls, call directory enquiries and ask for the only name they know, i.e. Max Clifford. What's so "bizarre" about that?From Times Online April 15 said:
I think it's a case of the journalist attempting to imagine how the non-journalist non-news-subjects for whom they write feel about how news-subjects feel about journalists and getting as lost as I hope you are this far into the sentence
Either that, or total lack of empathy. The vicious comment on this thread came from someone who points a camera at people for a living. Everyone I've ever known who points a camera at people for a living hates having cameras pointed at them - and several have said, yes, maybe being behind the camera is the best place to avoid having a camera pointed at them... so they do not, in fact, have the faintest what it's like.
Slightly off topic but, it'll be interesting to see how the SmashEDO/ReclaimTheStreets is Policed in Brighton in May ....
winjer
holocene death beat
You have it backwards, her story was highlighted, the press got interested then she/a relative/a friend hired Clifford to deal with the mob outside her door.
winjer
holocene death beat
It does, comes up in lots of the caselaw for Assault PC.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
What strikes me is that the police services, whose entire supposed raison d'etre is public service via an "open" system of interaction, act increasingly as though they're in a "closed" system where discipline must be enforced, such as the military.
Now, 20 years ago I'd have blamed this on the large amount of recruits that came to the police from the military, but that's no longer true anywhere in the command chain of the police services, except for MoD-plod.
I get the impression that perhaps the upper echelons of the police services might be encouraging this creeping "militarisation" as a method of retaining remit and funding (i.e. securing parts of their empires against the depradations of the "security service") but without either looking to history or calculating (if they give a damn) the price that the public might pay for such a shift.
I suspect that the normalisation has been ongoing for longer even than The Sun has been published. Elements of the media have always been willing to either submit or play along, and the government has a centuries-long history of supporting reaction and entrenched interests. As for independent oversight...
Squatticus
for an armed populace
Depends on whether the constable is acting lawfully or not. So I imagine, if he was attacking someone you defended, there would be an argument about the proportionality of the force the officer was using.
Callie
Pivoting
I had the same thought but surveillance is being used against the general public anyway. So why not turn the cameras back on the state?
There was a bunch of cops filming school kids in greggs one morning
You would think they might have more important things to do really.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I had the same thought but surveillance is being used against the general public anyway. So why not turn the cameras back on the state?
There was a bunch of cops filming school kids in greggs one morning
Yes Callie, but it can really help to identify the young thugs in society as early as possible so they can join the police straight from school.
I had the same thought but surveillance is being used against the general public anyway. So why not turn the cameras back on the state?
There was a bunch of cops filming school kids in greggs one morning
So, they film school kids yet are trying to extend terror laws so they cannot be filmed themselves?
Sinister!
