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The RAF (and the Swedish I would guess) are recruiting aircrew on more than just raw ability these days. There is a lot more psychological testing and evaluation. In my day (mid 80s) aircrew selection were two laughably crude simulation type video game things (called the Controlled Velocity Test and Sensory Motor Application) and Readers' Digest caliber puzzles. We later discovered that the purpose of the puzzles wasn't to test intelligence to but to see what happened under intense psychological pressure as it was just about impossible to complete them in the allotted 10 minutes. I completed 25 out of 35 and thought I had failed. I expect it's all on an app these days.

Probably, and testing that type of thing is certainly important. I am just not sure that the RAF looks for its aircrew at the TT or the NW200, even though that might be one of the best places to find people who have an abundance of confidence, who can multitask and who can quickly and accurately judge risk (the ones that don't go into a drystone wall at least).
 
If you're ever passing through Gatwick with a few hours to spare, hop on a bus to Charlwood (5-10mins?) and go to the Gatwick Aviation Museum.

Loads of interesting stuff there, planes in the hangar and outside, engines, and lots about the history of the airport. You can go inside a Shackleton and they have ex-crew showing you around.


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Thanks, I never even knew this existed and its like 15 mins from me.
 
The engines were fine, take-off performance was good, it was only when she was airborne that the draggy airframe earned her the nickname of Belslow.

Why was she much draggier than the C-130 - they look very similar in overall shape, with the Belfast having a pointier (technical term, stop me if I leave you behind..) nose?

The landing gear 'bulges' look a bit fatter than a Hercs', but that's about it...
 
Why was she much draggier than the C-130 - they look very similar in overall shape, with the Belfast having a pointier (technical term, stop me if I leave you behind..) nose?

The landing gear 'bulges' look a bit fatter than a Hercs', but that's about it...

In its original form the Belfast suffered from crippling form drag around the rear fuselage and empennage. They nailed some fairing onto it which improved the situation but it was still a very expensive proposition to acquire and operate compared to a C-130. 3,000 C-130s built compared to 10 Belfasts...
 
As DD said, the main source of excess drag on the Belfast was an area of low pressure under the up-tilted rear fuselage, the “duck’s arse”, created by the airflow in flight. The Belfast freight hold was 18 feet in diameter compared to the C130’s 10 feet and that left a lot of air space to be filled in after the aircraft had gone past. A large bump was fitted under the tail aft of the rear edge of the freight door as a modification and that improved the cruise speed by 35 knots but the whole door couldn’t be bulged for cargo loading reasons.

Another problem was caused by the decision for reasons of economy to use the same wings on the Belfast as were designed for the Bristol Britannia but while on the Brit they had to lift a maximum weight of 185,000 pounds they had to lift 230,000 pounds on the Belfast and therefore had to fly at a less than optimum angle of attack. And that meant more drag.

The undercarriage pods were bulkier than the Herc’s because they each held 8 wheels as well as the auxiliary power unit and the ground refuelling connections and control panel.

Am I boring you?
 
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As DD said, the main source of excess drag on the Belfast was an area of low pressure under the up-tilted rear fuselage, the “duck’s arse”, created by the airflow in flight. The Belfast freight hold was 18 feet in diameter compared to the C130’s 10 feet and that left a lot of air space to be filled in after the aircraft had gone past. A large bump was fitted under the tail aft of the rear edge of the freight door as a modification and that improved the cruise speed by 35 knots but the whole door couldn’t be modified for cargo loading reasons.

Another problem was caused by the decision for reasons of economy to use the same wings on the Belfast as were designed for the Bristol Britannia but while on the Brit they had to lift a maximum weight of 185,000 pounds they had to lift 230,000 pounds on the Belfast and therefore had to fly at a less than optimum angle of attack. And that meant more drag.

The undercarriage pods were bulkier than the Herc’s because they each held 8 wheels as well as the auxiliary power unit and the ground refuelling connections and control panel.

Am I boring you?

No. Cheers for that.

So, wrong wings, wrong shape (was the Belfast the first big cargo aircraft with a rear ramp we'd designed, so didn't understand the aerodynamics of it?), and wrong engines?
 
No. Cheers for that.

So, wrong wings, wrong shape (was the Belfast the first big cargo aircraft with a rear ramp we'd designed, so didn't understand the aerodynamics of it?), and wrong engines?
Fitting bigger engines would just have been farting against thunder. The Belfast was well-liked by the crews, the flight deck was spacious and comfortable and she was just too slow to do two long range sectors in one working day.
 
Magnificently bonkers. The pilot even looks scared having this publicity picture taken... ‘yep, just strap these pressurised cylinders of hydrogen peroxide to your back and dangle from them 300 foot in the air. It’s ok, there is a heat shield.’
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Like my robot butler, my girocopter and many other things we were promised. OTOH and slightly back on topic, the English Electric Lightnings never got to shoot down Tupolevs at the start of a nuclear Armageddon. Which we were also sort of promised. Still time for that to happen.
 
Navigator's seat in a Be-12 Tsaika.

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Anything other than abysmal ergonomics are counter-revolutionary.

So how much of the stuff that looks like it's steam powered actually is?
 
If I won the lottery (well more than this week's £2.70) I'd like to get my rotary licence and then try to put one of these on the display circuit...

At Helitech about six years back there was a company offering a retrofit glass cockpit for the Hind. Don't know if it ever came to anything.

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During the 80's I had a recurring dream of doing one of those (30mm cannon version) in a tie-dye paint job, putting a Linn soundsystem / hippy dope-den / fuck-pad in the troop compartment and taking it on the festival circuit.

Just imagine how much fun politically motivated police road blocks would be ...
 
During the 80's I had a recurring dream of doing one of those (30mm cannon version) in a tie-dye paint job, putting a Linn soundsystem / hippy dope-den / fuck-pad in the troop compartment and taking it on the festival circuit.

Just imagine how much fun politically motivated police road blocks would be ...

When I started going to Glastonbury in the '90's and saw the cool vehicles it made me want to get one of these and turn it into a pirate radio station.

Needless to say it never happened and probably wouldn't have worked anyway. Probably just accidentally turned it into a microwave transmitter and fried some poor unsuspecting hippies.

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My post from the tank thread some time ago.

We could have been contenders! :D
 

160th SOAR stole a Libyan example from Chad in 1988 from whence it was spirited away to the Tonopah Test Range in Nevada for evaluation. The US Army weren't that impressed with it due its immense fuel burn (725kg/hour) describing it as 'the ideal helicopter for flying from one fuel refinery to another'.

They put the rotor blades in one CH-47 and carried the HInd underslung on the other for 600km across the Sahara.

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