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Coffee questions about buying a Moka pot

soulfulofsoul

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I'm looking at buying at Moka Pot. Bialetti seems to be the classic and the biggest name, and since I expect this purcase to last a few years I'd be willing to spend what they cost (on ebay).
I'm not sure about any other brands worth looking into, any suggestions?

Also, I want to buy a big 6 cup one so I can use it when fiends come round. Mostly though I'd just be using it for myself. I usually drink one very big cup of coffee in the morning (maybe 4or 500ml). But, I've read on a forum that these don't work so well if half full. Is that true? I know 6 cups is six espresso cups but don't know how much that would fill it.

One of the guys selling them said you can just half fill it but then you need to use a gas ring reducer. But when I googled those things they seem to be for stabilising the pot on a gas stove. I also read that they can reduce the heat so it goes slower which is better. But I only read that from one person so I'm a bit doubtful. So what's the deal with the ring reducers? And can you make a pot of coffee half full which tastes good?

Also is there a difference between stainless steel and ali=uminium? Stainless steel seems to be considered better, is that because it tastes better (which some people say) or because aluminium supossedly gives you alzheimers (is that right?).

I have read other threads on here about the aeropress being the best. But it seems fiddly and a bit faffy for me. I know its not very hard, but there is something that puts me off. The device is so simple, but I was looking at vids and most are for an 'inverted method' and then everyone has their own variations on the best technique. And everywhere says dont use boiling water. I am not going to be measuring the temp of my water so it doesn't seem right for me. I have a stovetop kettle and it would be easier to get the same temp each time with a normal kettle I think. ie boil and add a small amount. But anyway, if you can convince me it's easy then please do.

So I"m leaning towards the classic style, seems easier to me. You cant go wrong really. And I know I like that coffee, I havent tasted an aeropress. But if anyone could answer my questions or suggest other brands I can check out and compalre that would be great thanks.
 
I've got a stainless steel espresso pot because I can't stand the limescale gunkiness that builds up in the water reservoir, which is a real pain to clean. As far as I can tell there is no difference in taste. The real trick to using them properly (as told to me by an Italian who made gorgeous coffee) is to heat it very very slowly so that the water doesn't scold the coffee. I think it does need to be full to get the right pressure, and if you are wanting to have different amounts of coffee you may need to resign yourself to a) using a small one and making multiple amounts for friends, or b) having 2 different size ones. When I use ours with friends I tend to make it very strong and dilute with hot water in the cup. Which is probably some sort of caffeinated sin.

And I bought mine from the Algerian Coffee Stores on Old Compton Street in London, no idea what brand it is, sorry.
 
I've got a stainless steel espresso pot because I can't stand the limescale gunkiness that builds up in the water reservoir, which is a real pain to clean. As far as I can tell there is no difference in taste. The real trick to using them properly (as told to me by an Italian who made gorgeous coffee) is to heat it very very slowly so that the water doesn't scold the coffee. I think it does need to be full to get the right pressure, and if you are wanting to have different amounts of coffee you may need to resign yourself to a) using a small one and making multiple amounts for friends, or b) having 2 different size ones.
You're kind. I'd probaby opt for c) offering friends tea or cold drinks ;)


When I use ours with friends I tend to make it very strong and dilute with hot water in the cup. Which is probably some sort of caffeinated sin.
I've found you can't really make it that strong with my friends, because you can only put so much coffee in the coffee part. Not enough for a few cups IME. But maybe they had an especially small coffee part or I'm remember wrong.
 
Yeah, they need to be full to work properly really. I have one very big one that is too big just for me really. It's best to have two - one large one and a little one when you're just making it for yourself.

IME the quality of pot doesn't make much difference to the taste. The quality of the coffee you put in it is what really matters. I wouldn't get a really expensive one.
 
We have had both a Bialetti coffee maker and an aeropress

I have also got a combined espresso / filter coffee maker

In order of easy of use I MUST put the filter coffee maker (after lining the permanent filter with filter paper) as the easiest to use

Then the aeropress

Then the espresso maker and the Bialetti espresso maker last
 
tbh your standard mocha pot is pretty easy to use.

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Unless you're into designer things, the above kind of pot is all you need.
 
Sorry, meant ease of clean up

The filter coffee maker is a once in a while bung in the dish washer, as is the aeropress - the Bialetti really doesn't like being put through a dishwasher - unless maybe you get a stainless one and not the ali one - but I'm sure I've seen a ceramic / and seriously coated Bialetti (type??) device in one of our local kitchen stores and that one looked dishwasher proof
 
Agree with most of what's been said.

Don't worry about brand. Just get one that feels solid. I've had a few and the ones where the metal feels thin were shit compared to the chunky ones. Make sure it's full otherwise it won't be great. I've tried filling it with cold water, hot water, slowly heating it, putting it on the highest heat, etc., and while there is a difference, it is subtle. So just do whatever you find easiest. I do cold water in, low flame.

The getting two sizes thing is a good idea. I used to have two but the handle snapped off my smaller one, so now I only have a 4 cup. I don't often drink it as espresso, though, so it's not an issue. I put an espresso-sized about in a mug, top up with hot water and milk, so even if the coffee has gone cold in the moka, then I still get a hot brew out of it. Otherwise I use it to make an iced coffee.

I've found the coffee tastes better when it comes from a smaller one, rather than a big one, but that might just be me.

Don't forget to do a dry run or two when you first get it. Just make a pot and chuck it away.
 
I'm looking at buying at Moka Pot. Bialetti seems to be the classic and the biggest name, and since I expect this purcase to last a few years I'd be willing to spend what they cost (on ebay).
I'm not sure about any other brands worth looking into, any suggestions?

Also, I want to buy a big 6 cup one so I can use it when fiends come round. Mostly though I'd just be using it for myself. I usually drink one very big cup of coffee in the morning (maybe 4or 500ml). But, I've read on a forum that these don't work so well if half full. Is that true? I know 6 cups is six espresso cups but don't know how much that would fill it.
Don't half fill it. The best option is buy a small one too. You can get good non brand 2 cup pots for around £10.

The next option is only buy a small one, and then you'd have to make several pots when friends come. A bit of a faff, but do-able.

The third best option, is make a 6 cup pot but only use one cup's worth fresh, and use the rest for granita.
 
I must say that whilst I've used a few bialetti's over the years, my own cheapo/no-brand pot has always been far better in actual use.

Its slightly heavier metal and more stable on the hob/camping stove, plus its heavier gauge makes it more resistant to burning the coffee and new seals can be got anywhere. Look for one of those instead maybe?
 
I picked up one of these in Kendal's cancer care shop for £3 on Monday :D

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alessi-Cupola-Espresso-Coffee-A9095/dp/B000FVABDA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_kh_4
Designed in 1988 by Aldo Rossi, the name behind some of the most representative objects of the 1980s, it shows the ability of a great designer to enter into a dialogue with the public's tastes: this is a moka coffee maker for everyone. Made of high-quality aluminium with its excellent heat conducting properties, it's perfect for making Italian coffee.
I make that £45 cheaper than amazon :)
 
Score, that's a bargain and it looks nicer than a bialetti. Is it heavy? If it is might be worth me searching for a bargain online. (they all seem expensive though). I really don't want to have to actually go to the shops, although I probably will because I'm sure that heaviness and solidness is very important.

I'm also thinking that since I drink big cups of coffee (normal flat white style coffee) the 6 pot might actually be right just for me? Does that sound crazy? People say it makes two small cups but can't find anywhere that tells me how many mls. I'm really not sure if a 3 cup would be enough for me. Would it make about a 400ml latte -anyone know?
 
Maybe someone on here can help. I'm looking for a stovetop espresso maker but the one I want has the bottom compartment for water, like the one posted by lbj in #6 and then the top part has a platform with a tube coming out of the centre that has a spout bending out from either side of it towards the platform. You screw the platform to the bottom part, coffee screws underneath the tube, put two espresso cups on the platform underneath each spout and they are filled once it has boiled.

Anyone know of where I can get one like that?
 
Maybe someone on here can help. I'm looking for a stovetop espresso maker but the one I want has the bottom compartment for water, like the one posted by lbj in #6 and then the top part has a platform with a tube coming out of the centre that has a spout bending out from either side of it towards the platform. You put two espresso cups on the platform, underneath each spout, and they are filled once it has boiled.

Anyone know of where I can get one like that?

Amazon - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NJHN30/?tag=yourquesabout-20

Looks ace, I haven't seen those before!
 
Ah well. I've just texted my mate to ask her what make it is so I'll report back.

Just found this one, £43 -

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Eta: and another, Etsy, £23 -

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As it happens, my Bialetti (6 cup? 8 cup?) is currently in the bin. It moved there this morning, when I was clearing out the car pre-MOT, and decided that it's probably the piece of coffee-related equipment that I'm least likely to ever want to use again.

I caught this thread in passing, and am not sure if Artichoke's taken the bins out yet. But I'll go & look for it, and if anyone's pmed me a postal address by the time I next log on, I'll gladly send it free of charge. If its still there, obv.

I guess its current location - our bin - says more than enough about my assessment of its worth :D So'll comment no further, except to say I hope that anyone who wants it enjoys it more than I did.

E2a: preference goes to anyone who doesn't already have one.
 
Score, that's a bargain and it looks nicer than a bialetti. Is it heavy? If it is might be worth me searching for a bargain online.

Yup. It's a top stovetop. Car boots and charity shops are full of them if you bide your time. I got this one for camping. I scored a nice single shot one in north wales in a donkey sanctury charridy shop a couple of weeks ago too. Will post a pic over the weekend.

Don't pay full whack for one ;)
 
Yup. It's a top stovetop. Car boots and charity shops are full of them if you bide your time. I got this one for camping. I scored a nice single shot one in north wales in a donkey sanctury charridy shop a couple of weeks ago too. Will post a pic over the weekend.

Don't pay full whack for one ;)
No, full whack is a lot! I'm hoping that I can get a decent priced one online but failing so far (it won't be a super bargain but charity shops here definitely don't have them. Or very, very rarely)

I guess its current location - our bin - says more than enough about my assessment of its worth :D So'll comment no further, except to say I hope that anyone who wants it enjoys it more than I did.

Aren't you the (or one of) coffee expert(s) on here? If so curious why you don't like it? I've liked what I tasted from them. They do taste different though, someone said something about getting the oils from the beans or something and that sounds right.
 
Aren't you the (or one of) coffee expert(s) on here? If so curious why you don't like it? I've liked what I tasted from them. They do taste different though, someone said something about getting the oils from the beans or something and that sounds right.
You'll get the full whack of oils from the beans in anything that doesn't go through a paper or cloth filter. French press, espresso, aeropress w metal filter, erm...

Reasons I don't like it: my BiL raves on about his, yet consistently serves (IMO) deeply unpleasant, monumentally bitter dreck. I bought one a year or two ago, bc I felt I really should give it a go, and had seen a promising-sounding video on how to get an awesome brew out of one by the bloke who runs Square Mile. Who IMO roast some of the best coffee going. I've tried, and tried, and tried. I've tried it on two different electric hobs & 2 gas burners. I've tried high heats, low heats, and everything in between. I've tried coarse ground, fine ground, light roast, dark roast, tamped, untamped, starting with the water near-boiling, and starting with the water cold. I've tried just whacking it on the heat, and "temperature surfing" - trying to dance it on and off the heat when it's making the right "near boiling" noise, to avoid it overheating (whilst still building pressure by keeping it *a bit below* boiling). And I've got to the point where I'm still mildly curious about whether its possible to get a half-decent brew our of one, but highly suspect that every time I pull it out I'll be wasting a pile of beans on a machine that'll churn out something far, far nastier, more generic, and more pointless than almost anything else I put them through. I'll still believe people can get enjoyable brews out of them. It's just that I've yet to encounter one (well, encounter a second, tbf. I enjoyed a brew in Hawes when the rain was f**king whipping down and I couldn't feel my fingers through cold. I have a feeling that the situation contributed to my enjoyment of a warm brew, though!)

I also dislike the build quality. £30ish isn't that cheap. Yet mine is a disappointment from top to bottom. The spout just hasn't been moulded / formed properly. The hinge lid is floppy & wobbles all over. Screwing the top onto the bottom is a complete nightmare - the seal is dire, and the fit is a total arse. For something with a passably premium cost, it's bordering on offensively bad workmanship. IMO. Which I'd be more inclined to forgive if I could get something drinkable out of it.

Tbf, I'm utterly spoilt. At home, I have 2 good - and different - espresso machines. If I wanted a short, dark, dense shot elsewhere, I'd use the aeropress. Which can do interesting things with light and dark roasts. And actually produces a genuinelu decent brew with minimal fucking around or pampering. I'd be more inclined to use cafetiere, a "clever dripper" filter, or vacpot before even thinking of looking at my moka pot again. And given we arguably already have too much shit around the place, when I saw it in my car that led me to think, "do you know, I honestly CBA any more, and this is something that I'll just never miss."
 
No, full whack is a lot! I'm hoping that I can get a decent priced one online but failing so far (it won't be a super bargain but charity shops here definitely don't have them. Or very, very rarely)



Aren't you the (or one of) coffee expert(s) on here? If so curious why you don't like it? I've liked what I tasted from them. They do taste different though, someone said something about getting the oils from the beans or something and that sounds right.
What sort of size are you looking for? There are at least 2 on my high street around the £5 mark ;)
 
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