Clegg to face leadership challenge following fees vote?

[butchersapron]

Quite possibly, but he's definitely on the warpath.

Sounds rather like Simon 'what will i revolt against next week' hughes - voted for every single thing he said that he opposed and promised to vote against -VAT, Child benefit, tuition fees. He's playing the gallery for fucks sake. You're the one arguing they all act of self interest - that doesn't mean they will all act as you expect. He's got a student vote to maintain, he's doing some gardening, he's not burning the pavilion down.

 

[butchersapron]

This is the warpath?

"It is very important that Nick gets out to the wider party and reassures people that the Coalition is not only doing a good job for the country but also that it is the right thing for the Liberal Democrats as a party," he told the BBC's The World This Weekend programme.

"He has done a very good job as Deputy Prime Minister but he also needs to show that he remains the right person to get out and communicate with our members."

 

[free spirit]

Quite possibly, but he's definitely on the warpath.

good lad.

this is what I supported him for at the election, Labour are wasting their time mind, he's far more likely to go independent than join labour or the tories, but way way more likely to stay and fight to get the party back on track instead.

 

[embree]

FFS if that’s the basic of your logic - you're away with the fairies!

The Tories are the largest group on their district council and Wells returns a Tory to the county council, the Tories held the parliament constituency since 1924 until the last election.

'not posh enough to want a Tory'.

something of an oversimplification of that particular seat - Wells parliamentary constituency is far more than just Wells town so the colour of the county councillor for the town doesn't tell you much. It also includes Glastonbury, Street, Burnham-on-sea and other towns

 

[butchersapron]

good lad.

this is what I supported him for at the election, Labour are wasting their time mind, he's far more likely to go independent than join labour or the tories, but way way more likely to stay and fight to get the party back on track instead.

He has done a very good job as Deputy Prime Minister...

It's war!

 

[claphamboy]

I do hold my hands up to being a hopeless optimist though.

Fair enough, I try to be realistic to avoid the worst disappointments.

 

[ymu]

This is the warpath?

Taken in the context of the previous sentence where he doubted the wisdom of bring in the coalition? Not like you to grab stuff out of context like that.

 

[butchersapron]

something of an oversimplification of that particular seat - Wells parliamentary constituency is far more than just Wells town so the colour of the county councillor for the town doesn't tell you much. It also includes Glastonbury, Street, Burnham-on-sea and other towns

Used to include weston as well iirc

 

[butchersapron]

Taken in the context of the previous sentence where he doubted the wisdom of bring in the coalition? Not like you to grab stuff out of context like that.

You mean where he says the coalition is doing a bang up job, just not doing enough PR for the great job?

"It is very important that Nick gets out to the wider party and reassures people that the Coalition is not only doing a good job for the country but also that it is the right thing for the Liberal Democrats as a party,"

 

[embree]

Used to include weston as well iirc

think you're right, until Weston got big enough to merit its' own seat

 

[ymu]

No, I mean these bits, as you well know:

A Liberal Democrat MP has warned Nick Clegg that he needs to convince his party that he remains the right person to be leader.
In an open attack on Mr Clegg, Greg Mulholland, a former schools spokesman for the party, who voted against raising tuition fees on Thursday, questioned the wisdom of the party being in the Coalition. And he warned Mr Clegg that the party was "hurting".

 

[Sgt Howie]

Time to walk away now. Don't look behind you, it'll just make it more painful.

 

[claphamboy]

something of an oversimplification of that particular seat - Wells parliamentary constituency is far more than just Wells town so the colour of the county councillor for the town doesn't tell you much. It also includes Glastonbury, Street, Burnham-on-sea and other towns

True, but it's mainly sea of blue - see map - so I think my point stands.

 

[butchersapron]

No, I mean this bit, as you well know:

Where was questioning? It certainly wasn't in the piece i quoted from your (?) post was it? Looked to me like he was saying the coalition was doing a great job but needed better pr to get this great job across. But, i don't know, maybe it's only me that likes to pick cherries. Was there questioning in the article it comes from?

 

[free spirit]

It's war!

nah, it's a shot across the bows, and he can do it because he's secure in a seat where the local party would back him over the national party, and where he's got a 10k majority due mainly to him being seen as a good local MP, and having a strong local campaign team behind him. Clegg can't do fuck all against him, but it'd still be daft to go out all guns blazing at this stage.

 

[butchersapron]

nah, it's a shot across the bows, and he can do it because he's secure in a seat where the local party would back him over the national party, and where he's got a 10k majority due mainly to him being seen as a good local MP, and having a strong local campaign team behind him. Clegg can't do fuck all against him, but it'd still be daft to go out all guns blazing at this stage.

Gardening then. Not war.

I can see why there might be some confusion though.

 

[ymu]

Ah, apparently it is Tim Farron who would be favourite if a left-wing (of the LDs) coup took place. Mulholland is just drawing the heat.

Farron, seen as the party's leftwing leader in waiting, said he wished in retrospect that his party had made abolition of tuition fees a sticking point in the coalition agreement. He predicted increased pressure from within the party to carve out a distinct identity and policy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/10/tuition-fees-out-libdem-manifesto

 

[embree]

True, but it's mainly sea of blue - see map - so I think my point stands.

possibly but people do vote differently across different elections. I can't find the election results for the county on that site but I'd be willing to wager the Labour vote is considerably greater than it is in general elections in certain areas, an anti-Tory vote split which is overcome to a certain extent in general elections

 

[ymu]

Where was questioning? It certainly wasn't in the piece i quoted from your (?) post was it? Looked to me like he was saying the coalition was doing a great job but needed better pr to get this great job across. But, i don't know, maybe it's only me that likes to pick cherries. Was there questioning in the article it comes from?

I gave you the link. You know as much about the context as I do.

It was you that cut out the bits that didn't suit your argument. I left the bits that suit yours in so as not to appear dishonest in my quoting ... Not that you need to be terribly skilled at reading between the lines for that one.

 

[butchersapron]

Ah, apparently it is Tim Farron who would be favourite if a left-wing (of the LDs) coup took place. Mulholland is just drawing the heat.

Oh yeah, we laughing at the self-deception in that piece in the why the lib-dems are shit thread earlier.

Tuition fees may be abolished in the next Lib Dem manifesto says Tim Farron, Lib Dem MP who rebelled in the vote

 

[ymu]

Time to walk away now. Don't look behind you, it'll just make it more painful.

I have never voted for or supported the Lib Dems, if that's what you're implying. If it's not, ignore this post.

 

[butchersapron]

I gave you the link. You know as much about the context as I do.

It was you that cut out the bits that didn't suit your argument. I left the bits that suit yours in so as not to appear dishonest in my quoting ... Not that you need to be terribly skilled at reading between the lines for that one.

I haven't cut anything out. You claimed the article argued something. Now, it either did or it didn't. I haven't read the article, so surely you can point out where it does what you claim? Because the quotes you (?) provided say the exact opposite of what you claimed that the article did.

 

[butchersapron]

I've now read it, it says nothing of the sort. That's the independents journos spin on it. Again, what did i cut out that supported what you claimed? Don't start playing silly buggers.

 

[ymu]

Sheffield's wobbling.

LIBERAL Democrats in Sheffield have warned party bosses in Westminster they will rebel if the city is ordered to make more cuts next week.

Sheffield Council leader Paul Scriven said he would "lead a campaign against the Coalition" if the city does not get "a fair deal" when the Local Government Settlement is released on Monday afternoon.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Scriven-ready-to-stand-up.6657755.jp

 

[ymu]

I've now read it, it says nothing of the sort. That's the independents journos spin on it. Again, what did i cut out that supported what you claimed? Don't start playing silly buggers.

What the fuck are you on about? I quoted this bit (that you removed when you requoted the quote) as evidence that at least one LD MP is openly questioning the leadership and being in the coalition ... are you saying it doesn't say that?

A Liberal Democrat MP has warned Nick Clegg that he needs to convince his party that he remains the right person to be leader.
In an open attack on Mr Clegg, Greg Mulholland, a former schools spokesman for the party, who voted against raising tuition fees on Thursday, questioned the wisdom of the party being in the Coalition. And he warned Mr Clegg that the party was "hurting".

 

[butchersapron]

Scriven with his own tory-lib-dem leadership has been talking this gardening bollcoks for months - because he knows come may they're gone.

 

[butchersapron]

What the fuck are you on about? I quoted this bit (that you removed when you requoted the quote) as evidence that at least one LD MP is openly questioning the leadership and being in the coalition ... are you saying it doesn't say that?

Yes i am questioning that he's questioning the wisdom of being in the coalition because he doesn't - and provided the rest of the quote to demonstrate this:

"It is very important that Nick gets out to the wider party and reassures people that the Coalition is not only doing a good job for the country but also that it is the right thing for the Liberal Democrats as a party," he told the BBC's The World This Weekend programme.

"He has done a very good job as Deputy Prime Minister but he also needs to show that he remains the right person to get out and communicate with our members."

do walk away.

 

[ymu]

I don't care why they're doing it, only that they are doing it.

 

[butchersapron]

They're not doing it. They're not going to do it.

 

[ymu]

You've suddenly started taking everything a politician says at face value ... except the bit that says he questions the leadership and the wisdom of the coalition ... because obviously that's the sort of platitude they often chuck out and can't be taken seriously compared to weasel words of support for the leader?

Blimey. Has moon hijacked your log-in?