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Chilcot Iraq Enquiry.

I read a piece in The Guardian that Blair might be prosecuted under some dusty old legal thingy which will result in him never being able to hold public office again. Thing is I don't think he ever wants to hold office again. Net result: fuck all. It's a whitewash. If our elected officials can commit the ultimate crime (pre-emptive war) and get away with it why do we bother voting? Just have a 'biggest cunts' competition were they have to take turns lying convincingly and stabbing each other in the back for fun and prizes (control of the military and police mainly).
 
I was looking through the evidence already visible on the Chilcot enquiry website to see if I could find mention of the dodgy dossier or the 45 minutes claim. I searched the 26 odd paged pdf of Blair's statement but couldn't find a mention of it.

On Wednesday the conclusions will be viewable on the site but they will be the length of a middle sized paperback. Good luck anyone who has the inclination to read them but at least they will be freely available online.
 
Ming said:
I read a piece in The Guardian that Blair might be prosecuted under some dusty old legal thingy which will result in him never being able to hold public office again. Thing is I don't think he ever wants to hold office again. Net result: fuck all. It's a whitewash. If our elected officials can commit the ultimate crime (pre-emptive war) and get away with it why do we bother voting? Just have a 'biggest cunts' competition were they have to take turns lying convincingly and stabbing each other in the back for fun and prizes (control of the military and police mainly).
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I think they were talking about impeachment, which may leave the accused facing a life sentence (depending on what they impeach him with) - though its hard to see how anyone could see the modern Lords as a Court of Law, especially as many (including the accused) have packed it with their drones in the recent past. Perhaps they could pretend that, as the Lords judicial functions have almost all ran off to the Supreme Court, that it is there where the Commons should try him (though it seems impeachment was the one thing they didn't specifically transfer)?
 
agricola said:
I think they were talking about impeachment, which may leave the accused facing a life sentence (depending on what they impeach him with) - though its hard to see how anyone could see the modern Lords as a Court of Law, especially as many (including the accused) have packed it with their drones in the recent past. Perhaps they could pretend that, as the Lords judicial functions have almost all ran off to the Supreme Court, that it is there where the Commons should try him (though it seems impeachment was the one thing they didn't specifically transfer)?
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I hope i'm wrong. I'd love to see that bastard convicted.
 
So, who's camping outside Waterstones tonight to get their hands on the goods? Bring £767 (actual price!) and a rucksack full of amphetamines.
 
teqniq said:
Blair 'really believed' Saddam Hussein had WMDs, Lord Butler says :facepalm:
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The wanker had them in 91 but was effectivly disarmed afterwards. Saddam may have actually belived him
he still had an effective arsenal what with his habit of killing people people who gave him bad news:(.
But anyways it was all battlefield stuff or realistically undefended kurdish town stuff.
As shooting it at the US would leave to retaliation in kind and ,opps we don't have any nerve gas left but no worrys we do have some nukes they count as wmds don't they?

Unless Blair was really really stupid a theoritical battlefield capability in iraq is not a threat to the uk. Or even much of a threat to isreal as a scud could just about hit isreal with a tiny warhead and I mean hit the country of israel rather than an specific part of israel.
 
likesfish said:
...Unless Blair was really really stupid a theoritical battlefield capability in iraq is not a threat to the uk. Or even much of a threat to isreal as a scud could just about hit isreal with a tiny warhead and I mean hit the country of israel rather than an specific part of israel.
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IIRC the alleged threat was actually in regard to 'British interests' - which meant Cyprus - i'm not sure anyone in government said '45 minutes from Britain' as that would be silly, Iraq had nothing like the ballistic missile capability required to get to the UK and everyone knew it.

as an aside, i recall getting off a place in Cypus and being required to have my NBC suit and respirator with me at all times - we had at least one alert in the day i was there. sirens, everyone screaming 'gas, gas, gas!' and at least one person trying to decide whether it was better to piss inside the suit and live with the stench of urine, or keep pissing out and take the risk.

we'll see how it turns out, but wouldn't be remotely surprised if the Byzantine political structures in Iraq all telling porkies to each other played a role - that is, after all, where at least some of our information came from...
 
The politicos will be busy reading, the website will be open again after Chilcot's press conference tomorrow. I expect it to be busy.
 
Ming said:
Just have a 'biggest cunts' competition were they have to take turns lying convincingly and stabbing each other in the back for fun and prizes (control of the military and police mainly).
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Yeah, that's already a thing.
 
kebabking said:
IIRC the alleged threat was actually in regard to 'British interests' - which meant Cyprus - i'm not sure anyone in government said '45 minutes from Britain' as that would be silly, Iraq had nothing like the ballistic missile capability required to get to the UK and everyone knew it.

as an aside, i recall getting off a place in Cypus and being required to have my NBC suit and respirator with me at all times - we had at least one alert in the day i was there. sirens, everyone screaming 'gas, gas, gas!' and at least one person trying to decide whether it was better to piss inside the suit and live with the stench of urine, or keep pissing out and take the risk.

we'll see how it turns out, but wouldn't be remotely surprised if the Byzantine political structures in Iraq all telling porkies to each other played a role - that is, after all, where at least some of our information came from...
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i was there for that a c130 turned around for some fault because of chinese whispers saying it was comtaminated que all the raf groundys legging it as they were in t shirts and shorts as we struggled into nbcand muggins here being told in no uncertain terms to go talk to the plane not a happy bunny as I did the long walk although we had nbc kit the filters were all out of date que crew of hercules fighting over respirators eventually figured out it was a false alarm.
Also sat through a truly insane brief about a plan to take limmasol airport if a massive nbc attack took out the RAF airbase :facepalm:
 
Interesting interview on C4 News with former First Sea Lord who had some interesting things to say about the timeline of advanced preparations for war made by the Navy & arms producers. When Jon Snow asked him if he had made these things clear to Chilcot he said that he hadn't...largely because he wasn't asked to give evidence to the inquiry.
 
brogdale said:
Interesting interview on C4 News with former First Sea Lord who had some interesting things to say about the timeline of advanced preparations for war made by the Navy & arms producers. When Jon Snow asked him if he had made these things clear to Chilcot he said that he hadn't...largely because he wasn't asked to give evidence to the inquiry.
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What did he say about arms producers preparations?
 
brogdale said:
Interesting interview on C4 News with former First Sea Lord who had some interesting things to say about the timeline of advanced preparations for war made by the Navy & arms producers. When Jon Snow asked him if he had made these things clear to Chilcot he said that he hadn't...largely because he wasn't asked to give evidence to the inquiry.
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I saw that and sort of imagined Chilcot burying his head in his hands ' why didn't I think of asking the First Sea Lord?'
 
weltweit said:
What did he say about arms producers preparations?
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Stuff about how he'd been contacted by a manufacturer (of some sort of missile?), when he'd heard that West was talking to the press, and that said manufacturer had been told by MoD? to get a move on with their product development in order to be ready for the invasion.
 
brogdale said:
Interesting interview on C4 News with former First Sea Lord who had some interesting things to say about the timeline of advanced preparations for war made by the Navy & arms producers. When Jon Snow asked him if he had made these things clear to Chilcot he said that he hadn't...largely because he wasn't asked to give evidence to the inquiry.
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He should have just given his evidence by leaving official documents in a park, like all good First Sea Lords.
 
He did actually name it I think it was Storm-chaser or similar a bunker-busting bomb required for March?
 
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