Chilcot Iraq Enquiry.

[Sirena]

That was a fuckup decided on by Bremer (and possibly Cheney) after we had boots on the ground

Bremer says it was arch-neocon Douglas Feith...

Who disbanded the Iraqi army?

 

[BandWagon]

Well,he could have guessed it was going to be a mess when Rumsfeld threw away the development plans the US State Department and FCO had been working on (which Claire Short resigned over) before the invasion happened, instead he carried on saying it was in the UK interests to be involved as that way we could help shape things.

I think the calculation had been made well before that point, and there was no way he was going to back down. The die was well and truly cast. My point was that had the war had a good outcome with a stable and peaceful Iraq, then many people would have ignored the issues leading up to the conflict starting. Blair probably thought that that was what would happen.

 

[kebabking]

I think the calculation had been made well before that point, and there was no way he was going to back down. The die was well and truly cast. My point was that had the war had a good outcome with a stable and peaceful Iraq, then many people would have ignored the issues leading up to the conflict starting. Blair probably thought that that was what would happen.

i think that by the time departments like DFID/FCO and MOD, and his political colleagues, were telling Blair it was going to be a disaster post-war, he was trapped.

it would, imv, be a very poor analysis that ignored the venality of neo-cons towards they felt had 'betrayed' them. Blair knew - as we all know - that the invasion would have happened regardless of whether the UK had participated, and indeed the US had a plan for dealing with the contingency that UK forces had pulled out on the morning of the invasion. his choices - however much he may have brought them about - were either to continue on a path he knew to be flawed, but with some influence on direction, or to pull out, have no effect on Iraq, and earn the undying emnity of a large proportion of the US administration, upon whose co-operation he relied in a number of critical defence and intelligence spheres.

he trapped himself, with his delusion and hubris, over how much influence he and his allies within the US government had over George Bush. i think he made a choice that he took to be 'the best of a bad bunch', and that the messianic lunacy we see in his every utterance is the defence strategy his mind has constructed to allow him to not be overwhelmed by the catastrophic nature of his mistake in 2001/2002 in not avoiding Iraq with a bodyswerve.

 

[teqniq]

Ffs

Government delays publication of Chilcot Report until after referendum

...Expected to heavily criticise senior political figures, the inquiry’s chairman Sir John Chilcot said last October that he would hand in the report in the week beginning 18 April.

Mr Cameron had previously suggested that he wanted to publish the report within two weeks of receiving it.

But according to The Telegraph, it is feared that public trust in politicians could be significantly eroded by the six-year long inquiry and they do not wish to risk this ahead of the crucial 23 June vote....

 

[weltweit]

There will always be convenient reasons to kick it into the long grass, they should just publish it and get it over with!

 

[teqniq]

Absolutely, and they wonder about 'public trust in politicians'. Pass the sickbag.

 

[likesfish]

He should have seen that the plan to dismantle the Iraqi military and police (which he must have known about) would lead only to chaos and destruction.

the iraqi military and police were hardly a quality institution that didn't torture and massacre routinely even given that dismantling them was the wrong move.

 

[Ponyutd]

Finally out July 6.

 

[Pickman's model]

Finally out July 6.

The longest awaited whitewash in history

 

[kebabking]

The longest awaited whitewash in history

Ah, but think about the quality of that whitewash...

 

[Pickman's model]

Ah, but think about the quality of that whitewash...

Poor quality, it's already been seen through

 

[Mr.Dogg]

The longest awaited whitewash in history

Yep, there is that old saying in Westminster, that when they set up an enquiry they first of all decide what they want the outcome to be and then recruit the people who will deliver that outcome. From the sounds of things a few months ago Claire Short is going to get blasted! (which in a way serves her right for going along with it against her better judgement)

 

[weltweit]

The radio interviewed Jack Straw.
He didn't seem to perturbed about the report coming out.

 

[DrRingDing]

The radio interviewed Jack Straw.
He didn't seem to perturbed about the report coming out.

Of course he didnt. It's a fixed game.

 

[weltweit]

So, finally the actual report is imminent ..

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Apparently its over 2 million words or something, longer than the complete works of shakespeare (and the whole harry potter series)

 

[gosub]

Apparently its over 2 million words or something, longer than the complete works of shakespeare (and the whole harry potter series)

Tony's theme by the Pixies has 156 words

 

[weltweit]

The report will be released on the 6th July 2016.
It has taken longer than the Iraq war itself.
It has taken longer than WW2!

As I understand it, some are being given advanced copies, to enable them to comment at release.

Does anyone know how much in advance they are getting it?

 

[two sheds]

Apparently its over 2 million words or something, longer than the complete works of shakespeare (and the whole harry potter series)

A couple of words per dead person then.

 

[butchersapron]

More than 16 years later the report will be released on the 6th July 2016.
It has taken longer than the Iraq war itself.
It has taken longer than WW2!

As I understand it, some are being given advanced copies, to enable them to comment at release.

Does anyone know how much in advance they are getting it?

Have a read up on Maxwellisation .

 

[weltweit]

Have a read up on Maxwellisation .

No, I know parties to the report have been able to see and contribute multiple times, what I was trying to get at was that advance copies of the completed report are being made available so commentators can comment immediately on its release.

 

[butchersapron]

Are they? I can only find the families of dead soldiers being provided a copy two hours before official publication.

 

[weltweit]

Perhaps I am mistaken then.

 

[weltweit]

 

[SpookyFrank]

Looks like the press are already trailering a whitewash.

 

[DotCommunist]

Looks like the press are already trailering a whitewash.

their complicity in the 45 minute to doom claims being taken seriously is of course in no way affecting how they view things

 

[weltweit]

Some of the evidence already available on the chilcot site will be less than enlightening eg:

 

[weltweit]

Tony Blair gives evidence in public. Video available.
Oral Evidence: 21 January 2011

 

[weltweit]

This is Tony Blair's 26 page statement to the enquiry. Not once does it mention the 45 minute claim that alarmed people so much prior to invasion taking place.
pdf http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/media/50743/Blair-statement.pdf

 

[dylanredefined]

Warmonger myth vs complex war.

Anyone who visited Iraq in the first year would realise A Iraq was no threat to anyone except its own population.
B The post-war plan was coming apart the CPA meant well ,but, didn't have a clue.
Not helped by Iraqis developing a habit of telling the guys with guns what they want to hear. The Baath party developing a habit of not only shooting the messenger for bringing bad news but, having his family tortured