Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[Sasaferrato]

Which results are you talking about exactly? And when (1945-1979, perhaps)?

Between 1951 and 1955, under the Conservatives an average of over 188,000 social housing units were built. A record that has never been beaten by any other government.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Back later.

 

[butchersapron]

I haven't actually moved at all, in terms of belief.

Other things change though, and leave you politically homeless. You have to decide which is closest to your view, and vote for them.

I used to vote for Labour in the Council elections, Conservative in the General Elections and Labour in the Scottish Parliamentary elections.

Now... I don't think I'll be voting at all. For the first time in 45 years.

The world revolves around me. Classic teenager.

 

[8ball]

Between 1951 and 1955, under the Conservatives an average of over 188,000 social housing units were built. A record that has never been beaten by any other government.

Things may have drifted underneath you, but I think the media would call this kind of talk "adolescent Corbynite madness".

 

[elbows]

Tony Benn was much more nuanced (and intelligent) than Corbyn. Tony Benn's policies would have been set out to be acceptable.

Its hard to judge the latter point because of the different eras. But surely one of the phenomenon we see today with Labour is due to changes in what was considered 'acceptable' over the last 40 years. In terms of mainstream political discourse, everything got very narrow, and even small variations from what was misleadingly called the centre ground were condemned as extreme and were not given room to live in the mainstream acceptable political landscape.

Oops I started to bore myself and forgot to finish the point I was trying to make there.

There are all sorts of differences between Benn and Corbyn, but one of the similarities would be some of the language used to attack them. Regardless of how left or socialist any of the policies either of them went on about actually were, routine, well worn attacks often involve language such as hard left and socialist as dirty scare words.

Given that Benn was subject to such complaints during his peak times in office (regardless of the reality), I struggle to imagine him avoiding similar stuff in this era, given what I described above as starting from an incredibly narrow ground in regards what constitutes the 'sensible, non-extreme centre'. And I dont think there are really that many ways to dress policies involving renationalising things up as being something that those who dont like that sort of thing would consider more benign.

 

[Sprocket.]

The only ‘hard left’ I’ve witnessed at any Labour Party meeting was when one constituent’s fist connected with elected mayor Martin Winter’s chin as we were leaving.
Mistake though, Mayor Winter was quite a tough ex rugby league player.

 

[chilango]

A Corbyn lover!

 

[cupid_stunt]

The only ‘hard left’ I’ve witnessed at any Labour Party meeting was when one constituent’s fist connected with elected mayor Martin Winter’s chin as we were leaving.
Mistake though, Mayor Winter was quite a tough ex rugby league player.

Let's never forget John Prescott's hard left punch.

Always worth another watch...

 

[ska invita]

Vince Cable confirms that there will be weekly meetings between LD and TINGE, and was prepared to go as far as to say there will be some kind of "arrangement" around who will stand in which seats. Surely a matter of time before that relationship becomes more formalised, under one, possibly new name.

 

[belboid]

Quote from that man of integrity, Ian Austin:

“the Labour leadership should embrace tough policies including a ban on benefit payments to new migrants who have paid nothing into the system, fingerprinting at the Calais border, and up-front payments by foreigners for NHS care”.

 

[Sprocket.]

Let's never forget John Prescott's hard left punch.

Always worth another watch...

I wasn’t four feet away from that one though.

 

[Sprocket.]

Ian Austin ‘The Six Bob Man’.

 

[Argonia]

Austin has a majority of 22. I bet you my marzipan hat that he won't get 1000 at the next election.

 

[Sprocket.]

Austin has a majority of 22. I bet you my marzipan hat that he won't get 1000 at the next election.

Hattenburg cake?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Austin has a majority of 22. I bet you my marzipan hat that he won't get 1000 at the next election.

Probably more than enough to hand the seat to the Tories.

 

[brogdale]

Probably more than enough to hand the seat to the Tories.

You never know, now there'll be a candidate that Labour folk can vote for.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

Vince Cable confirms that there will be weekly meetings between LD and TINGE, and was prepared to go as far as to say there will be some kind of "arrangement" around who will stand in which seats. Surely a matter of time before that relationship becomes more formalised, under one, possibly new name.

Shameful

 

[SpookyFrank]

votes of thanks have been recorded in eight clps to their outgoing mps. one labour party member from streatham declared, 'we're so glad chuka's come to see things our way'

Fucking bootlickers

 

[Pickman's model]

Fucking bootlickers

at the end of each meeting the mp was burned in effigy

 

[tim]

Labour, with the anti-Semites and bullies driven out. Labour post Corbyn.

I find it hard to understand why Tom Watson has remained where he is, he is the polar opposite of Corbyn.

Incidentally, Labour are not the only party to suffer from the arriviste phenomenon, it is happening in the Conservative party also, attempting to move the party in the direction of fascism.

I was fairly content with the way things were being done, the current government (apart from being paralysed rabbits in the headlights over Brexit) have degraded the welfare system to the point where it is no longer fit for purpose.

Labour should be in a commanding position in the polls, but they are not. You have to ask yourself why not.

I find it hard to understand why anyone would expect Tom Watson to act with integrity.

 

[gentlegreen]

Vince Cable confirms that there will be weekly meetings between LD and TINGE, and was prepared to go as far as to say there will be some kind of "arrangement" around who will stand in which seats. Surely a matter of time before that relationship becomes more formalised, under one, possibly new name.

Gawd I hope not - there appears to be much finely-grained natural rock or soil material in the pedestrian department.

 

[belboid]

I find it hard to understand why anyone would expect Tom Watson to act with integrity.

what, the man who used parliamentary privilege to name high profile child abusers who...uhh, hadn't abused any children at all, it turned out. That Tom Watson?

 

[Sasaferrato]

A quick look through the last twenty or so posts on the thread makes me wonder two things.

Firstly, is there any Labour politician that satisfies the posters of U75, they all seem to have feet of clay.

Secondly, those who are condemning the politicians, would they be completely comfortable for their full life story to be laid out for public reading?

Fuck knows why anyone would want to be a politician, it is putting your life into the spotlight.

 

[killer b]

You're the one who's politically homeless dude.

 

[killer b]

You've been saying all politicians are shit for 15 years. The gall of it.

 

[kenny g]

Anna Soubry comes across like David Ike.

 

[danny la rouge]

A quick look through the last twenty or so posts on the thread makes me wonder two things.

Firstly, is there any Labour politician that satisfies the posters of U75, they all seem to have feet of clay.

Secondly, those who are condemning the politicians, would they be completely comfortable for their full life story to be laid out for public reading?

Fuck knows why anyone would want to be a politician, it is putting your life into the spotlight.

Why don’t you stand? Start a party and stand for election. You’ve got ideas.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

The odds are against them, but these MPs could yet change our politics | Jonathan Freedland

Surprised to see a bunch of vacuous knobheads spouting empty centrist platitudes have managed to get Jonathan Freedland onside.

 

[Pickman's model]

A quick look through the last twenty or so posts on the thread makes me wonder two things.

Firstly, is there any Labour politician that satisfies the posters of U75, they all seem to have feet of clay.

Secondly, those who are condemning the politicians, would they be completely comfortable for their full life story to be laid out for public reading?

Fuck knows why anyone would want to be a politician, it is putting your life into the spotlight.

I am very satisfied by Tony Benn and James Callaghan

 

[two sheds]

Isn't 'satisfied by' different from 'satisfied with'?